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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:00 PM
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What year truck? 1985, correct? The C1 doesn't tell me anything (yet, anyway).

EDIT: Also, what transmission.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:03 PM
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It would also help me if you'd fill out the rest of your profile and tell us where you live.

Is this a California truck?
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 85fordf150blue
My engine code is C1 (Cleveland PLT 1).

So, do you understand my issue now? My Edelbrock intake manifold I purchased does not have a place for me to reuse the heater choke assembly in the picture. I really have no info on it other than my repair manual says it is a choke heater assembly.

Any suggestions on eliminating it? I've talked to a few manufacturers and they all say they do not have aftermarket intakes with this option.
I understand your issue. But, I do not believe that is a choke heater. It is a diverter or flapper valve for the exhaust heat to the whole intake manifold - not the choke.

If I could see the other side of the manifold then we'd know if it was even set up for a choke stove. I'm guessing not as I haven't seen one on a 302 or 351W in this series.

My advice is to block that off in some fashion and use a carb with an electric choke. As for blocking it off, roadrash63 said that either a "DORMAN 555-097 and/or 555-306" soft or freeze plug would fit and that he would tell us which one. I'd suggest sending him a pm to see what he's found. You could put the plug in, put the bolts back in, and be done with it.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:24 PM
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Its an 85 with an automatic C5 trans. It is not a California truck.

I wouldn't need to block anything off since the picture I posted was the old intake. My new intake is an Edelbrock 3723 and it does not have a place for me to reuse this flapper valve or whatever it is. Would it help if I uploaded a picture of the carb also?
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:45 PM
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Would it help if I uploaded a picture of the carb also?
Probably not.

If you're gonna use an aftermarket intake manifold that doesn't have any accommodations for that device, that tells me the manifold doesn't have anyway of of allowing exhaust gases to pass through it.

You'd need to compare the ports on the sides, I guess....
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:47 PM
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How do i put a picture inline? When I try to insert a picture it doesn't show up?
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 85fordf150blue
Does that thing in your hand have any numbers on it?

Something like

E4ZE 9D474-AA

or something similar?
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ctubutis
Probably not.

If you're gonna use an aftermarket intake manifold that doesn't have any accommodations for that device, that tells me the manifold doesn't have anyway of of allowing exhaust gases to pass through it.

You'd need to compare the ports on the sides, I guess....
The new intake has the same ports on the side. It looks like all it does is allows the gasses to pass from one side to the other. There may be some internal connections to somewhere else, but I cannot see any evidence of that. So with the new intake that passage way would always be open. I'm still not seeing the big picture on how this functions to know if that would be a good thing or a bad thing.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ctubutis
Does that thing in your hand have any numbers on it?

Something like

E4ZE 9D474-AA

or something similar?
No marking of any kind are on it.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 11:03 PM
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My bad. Forgot the pic was of the old manifold, so don't need another picture. Duh!

Most intakes for the small blocks have the exhaust passages, but I've never seen an after-market with provisions for the flapper valve. In fact, the Ford manifold on my 351w doesn't have provisions for it, and my carb uses an electric choke. Works fine. I'm sure yours will as well if you use a carb with an electric choke.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
My bad. Forgot the pic was of the old manifold, so don't need another picture. Duh!

Most intakes for the small blocks have the exhaust passages, but I've never seen an after-market with provisions for the flapper valve. In fact, the Ford manifold on my 351w doesn't have provisions for it, and my carb uses an electric choke. Works fine. I'm sure yours will as well if you use a carb with an electric choke.
I found some things online that suggest what you said earlier. This is a manifold exhaust crossover valve. I can't find anything on how it works or what it does. Obviously the new intake would be open all the time where as the old intake opens and closes. What would be the purpose of wanting to close it off?
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 85fordf150blue
I found some things online that suggest what you said earlier. This is a manifold exhaust crossover valve. I can't find anything on how it works or what it does. Obviously the new intake would be open all the time where as the old intake opens and closes. What would be the purpose of wanting to close it off?
Good question, and one for which I've been puzzling myself since I also have one of them. My guess is that it has something to do with getting exhaust gas to the EGR valve, which on mine gets its gas from that same exhaust passage. But that is a wild guess and it isn't supported by any facts.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
Good question, and one for which I've been puzzling myself since I also have one of them. My guess is that it has something to do with getting exhaust gas to the EGR valve, which on mine gets its gas from that same exhaust passage. But that is a wild guess and it isn't supported by any facts.
I found a few sites where people were saying the valve opens when it is cold to allow the carb to warm up quicker. They also claim if it is fully open when the engine is hot the carb can get extremely hot and the fuel can boil?? Several people online claiming they blocked them off.

At least now I know what it is so I can call Edelbrock again and see what they have to say about it.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 11:29 PM
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I sent a PM to 81-F-150-Explorer asking him to stop by and help............
 
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 85fordf150blue
I found a few sites where people were saying the valve opens when it is cold to allow the carb to warm up quicker. They also claim if it is fully open when the engine is hot the carb can get extremely hot and the fuel can boil?? Several people online claiming they blocked them off.

At least now I know what it is so I can call Edelbrock again and see what they have to say about it.
I'm not sure that guy knows what he was talking about. I found a few more sites that claim in the old days these valves were used to close and warm the intake/carb up quicker and then open once up to temperature. And apparently these rust up and stick so it was common to just eliminate them. Nothing like searching the web for answers, because there are always conflicting stories.
 
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