sorry just looked at the link and seen alphas post its 351c is this a better engine than the windsors

 

IMO a 351c has more horsepower potential than a Windsor BUT for the most part Windsor parts are cheaper.


A couple years ago Jon Kaase won the Engine Masters competition with a 403c but this engine would be out of budget for 99.98% of us. Especially when just as much horsepower can be made for far less money on a 460.

heres the link/specs
Jon Kaase Racing Engines - Kaase Engine Masters Competitions

 

what about just stock which is the better the engine runs fine dont plan on any build on it im in the process of getting a 460 for a build which i will post on here step by step.just curious on the better of the 2 right from ford more hp and tq.thanks

 

Keep the Cleveland.

 

would you know the approxamate hp/tq for the cleveland?

 

Ford 335 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has the hp/tq listed for the different configurations and years.
In factory form, definitely keep the Cleveland.

 

thanks for all the help guys

 

Fellas, he might have stumbled upon the lesser known 400FMX that was known to be in large cars in the early 70's. If it bolts to a 302 bell housing but doesn't really fit the description of the 351W or 351C yet doesn't have the bell housing the 351M has... This might be that engine. Does it exist? Yes, I had one and still have the pictures.

With all this confusion on the 351's and how to spot them visually, I feel that I really am going to have to post my old engine faq I made 8 years ago on another board.

IF in the event that you haven't really been able to narrow it down to what the heck you have by now let me offer this.

In --> THIS <-- picture you can generally see what a 351C/M/400 looks like. Thermostat in the block not the intake and an extended portion from the front of the block. The tell tale difference is that the 351C measures 7" across the intake deck area. So between the bottom of each head at the intake area is 7". The 351M/400's measure 8.5" Using this measurement has never failed me. Once you know the difference and have seen enough of them you can just visually see the difference. The heads look like --> THIS <--, (though those are 4v 351C heads). Externally the 2v and 4v heads are the same. They have large block like areas where the exhaust manifold bolts to.

The 351W looks like --> THIS <--. Notice that the thermostat is no longer in the block and will require an aluminum cover for the timing gears like the 302 that you removed has. Here's how you easily tell the difference from a 351W and a 302 since they are essentially the same visually. Look at the intake area and notice that at the front and back there is a raised area for the intake to sit on. This is a 351W. A 302 will have a flattened area at the rear of the block and will not have the ~1" taller lip front and back for the intake.

The heads of the Windsor engines look like --> THIS <--. Notice that there are no longer any block like areas for the manifolds to bolt to? The manifold bolts are straight across just like the 302. These heads have water passages in the intake for the thermostat where the 351C/M/400 do not because it is in the block.

The 351C/351W/302 all share the same motor mount pattern. The 351M/400/400FMX share the same big block like motor mount pattern. HOWEVER, the 400FMX has the casting bosses for the small block mounts. They just need to be drilled and tapped.

If by for some reason of insanity that you can not figure out what 351 engine you have from this post, you obviously do not have any of the engines that I described here. In the event that you DO have the 400FMX, this engine will have the same hp/tq output as any old 400 from that year as they are all still smog engines.

 

mine looks like the first picture khyren

 

LOL That's great info Khyren...but he has already figured out it's a Cleveland by using the link in post #8. Reps for the effort.

 

yep its a cleveland i guess for 100 i cant complain cleveland or winsdor

 

I used to have a thread over on project bronco that showed you how to tell if you had an FE, 302, 351W, 351C, 351M/400, 400FMX, 460/429. If it would be a good sticky, I can redo it and see if we can't get it made a sticky. I got all the pictures when I worked at ATK so the engines are in clean reman state minus the 351C's because of lack of demand.