Hi all. I have an opportunity to buy an Edge 4 position programmer at a very attractive price. It includes the dash info center. It is available for less than half price. Now, before Ronin and the high HP guys knock this deal down let me say that I am 68 years old and my drag races are well behind me. I seek only to rid my truck of the DPF and the cleanings of the DPF. I am OK with my trucks stock performance and I am OK with giving up my 15 months of remaining drive train warranty. I would of course be grateful for any MPG increase that might occur. I primarily use my truck to tow a very heavy 5th wheel (17,000 lbs or so) and so would use the Edge mostly in the stock mode or at most the lowest setting (35HP). Questions: Has anyone had Edge caused engine problems? Do you KNOW if it will transfer to my truck without a hassle? Will it work with the latest flash (11B23)? What do you know about the Edge that I failed to ask? Thanks in advance for your input.

 

Bump to the top, c'mon guys I need to know.

 

Don't know, Stan. Spartan seems to be the dominant tuner around here, I don't think I know of anyone running an Edge tuner that I can think of.

Have you contacted Edge? They would be able to tell you if you can transfer it to your truck without any issues.

 

I have one, only used it to monitor things never installed tunes.I have heard they were not good though.

 

Don't think Edge is the premier tuner out there.

 

Power Hungry Performance Forum

You may want to ask the guys over there.

 

I don't have one, but hear they are hard on trannys. I know, he said she said.

 

Someone else was asking about Edge before and I'll repeat what I said to them...JUNK!

Actually, all the canned tuners are junk; that goes for Superchips, BullyDog, Predator/Diablosport, etc. It's NOT just about high HP, it's about proper tranny tuning, etc., and that's where you simply can't beat Spartan, Eric/IDP, Kem and H&S...

At that tow weight you'll be running at the minimal power settings anyway and with Spartan I know there's a tune for DPF-delete only with stock tuning/no additional power.

I'm all about saving money, but you get what you pay for and I wouldn't try to save a couple of bucks in a situation like this.

 

Yeah, I sent an email but thir support sems to b e M-F 8-4, so maybe I'll get a reply next week.

 

Junk, that's a strong position but not very helpful. Help me understand. The difference between "canned" tunes and "programable" tunes is the programable part, right? The ability to customize the tune if you decide you want to change other components, right? So, what am I missing? If I ran a "canned" stock or + 40 HP setting with the DPF delete what could it do to the tranny? I'm not being argumentative here, I just don't see what you see.

And it's not about money, at least not primarily. I'm not cheap nor am I broke but as I understand it there is $1000 or so difference in the investment. That's a lot of beer money for some custom tunes that I would most likely never use. I'm only seeking an easy way to get rid of the DPF. Thanks for your help.

 

Excellent questions all...

Basically the difference between "canned" tunes and "custom" tunes is really night and day. Canned tuners rarely put the forth the effort, if any at all actually, into tuning the transmission that custom tuners like Spartan, Eric, H&S, Kem, etc. do, and that's where you're going to get into trouble...

Eric told me recently that he puts more time into transmission programming than he does the motor. The 5R110 is an extremely stout tranny as is, and with proper tuning it can hold up to twice the factory output for 10s of thousands of reliable miles. Without that attention to detail you're asking for trouble, and that also why you have such a disparity in pricing.

Remember back in the day when people first started tuning the 7.3s and getting some decent power out of them? What ended up happening? Without taking the rest of the drivetrain into consideration, particularly the transmission, that power took it's toll...

Making power with these motors is a non-brainer, doing it safely can be another story however. I'd much rather have a Spartan 40HP tune than one from Edge, Superchips, etc.; their experience with the 6.4 platform can't be beat or denied, regardless of the fact that you may not run any of the higher HP tunes.

The additional benefit of custom tuners is their ability to react to changes in the platform, like we just had with the reflash. Canned tuners, especially on a discontinued platform like the 6.4 just don't respond as quickly...if at all...to situations like that which can leave you with a useless tuner for an undetermined period of time.

As far as the ability to have your tunes updated for turbos, injectors, fuel pumps, etc., that's HUGE money ($15-20K and up) that the vast majority of us will never get into, so that particular feature of custom tunes isn't or shouldn't real be a selling point. Spartan and Eric aren't going to update/upgrade your tunes because you went from an aFe drop-in air filter to their full intake either; it's not necessary, but add Elite High-Power compounds and you'll be glad you do have that ability.

It really comes down to getting what you pay for, and I'd rather run stock and save my money for a real tuner than "score" on a canned one and run some half arsed tune...

FWIW, YMMV!

 

Absolutely right Ronin. The H&S tranny tunes make a world of difference and my tranny shifts like stock because of them. Only running an 80 HP tune but before the tranny tunes the truck shifted very rough. Trans tunes will protect the tranny and save big bucks in the long run. Can't speak to Spartan but a lot of folks om here run them and like them. Both good tuners.

 

If you shop around you can get a good deal on a used live wire, I did ...I bought one from a member on here and boiught a custom tune from innovative. The truck runs amazing, I too was really only looking to get rid of the DPF and avoid any potential issues. the power of the street tune is amazing, this is how the truck should have came from the factory!!!!

 

What kind of custom tune (HP/TQ) did you get. How about the tranny? I think I'd be happy with the stock setting with DPF delete. At most the Level 1 on the Edge (35HP/150lbs TQ) would be plenty. I'm just having a hard time believing that a tune that mild would need a tranny re-program. The seller says he has been using it for a year and a half without a problem. But then he is a seller. On the other hand I'm not sure some folks on here aren't on the payroll of some tuners, or at least vigorously defending their decisions. It's a tough call. Right now I'm thinking I can buy the edge and if it doesn't shift right I upgrade and sell the Edge. There is also a company that upgrades the Edge with a custom tune for like $25 if I'm reading the ad right. Decisions, decisions.

 

Wow...I don't know where to start, but here goes...

You don't think that adding 25% more torque doesn't put additional stress on the transmission? Particularly when the TCM may not even be retuned (best to be sure about that and check with Edge, who I'm sure will jump right on your email, first thing this AM... )? And especially considering the fact that you're towing at or near, maybe even over capacity...?! Yeah right...

Why is the original owner selling it? Sold the truck and looking to get a couple of bucks back or stepping up to a real tuner, if you know...

Payroll huh? Since you mentioned me by name in your first post you don't have to be Dick Tracy to put those two comments together. That was just straight up plain disrespectful, no two ways about it. I've been on this forum for over 5 years and alluding that I'm some shill for anyone is way out of line. You don't like my advice, don't take it, you obviously have your mind already made up and are just looking for some validation from someone...anyone it seems, but excluded me by name 'cause you already knew what was coming. You think there's a reason why no one's jumped on your bandwagon yet?

Try throwing a post like this up on some of the other forums and you'll get yourself laughed right out the front door. There's a reason for that, and I'll repeat it with an additional caveat; canned tunes/tuners are junk and the people that buy them typically don't know any better and are just falling for those super sexy full color ads in Diesel Power magazine.

$25 for an "upgrade"?! I can't be the only person that actually laughed out loud when I read that.

I guarantee that ANY tow tune (or any tune for that matter) from ANY of the custom tuners will run cooler EGTs and transmission temperature, shift smoother, have lower cylinder pressures and get better mileage on top of it than you'll get with that garbage generic/canned tune from Edge, Superchips, ad infinitum, ad nauseum...

PT Barnum was right, there's one born every minute, good luck with your "attractively priced" Edge with $25 "custom tune" on your $60K+ truck, you're gonna need it...