My 65 with 352 and C4 is pouring fluid from the tranny. All gaskets and seals are leaking as well as needing a new bushing in the tailshaft. It seemed to shift fine when I bought it and drove it home, so can this be fixed in the vehicle or pop for a rebuild? Also is it possible to run lines on the early C4's to the radiator and cool it or no? Thanks a bunch, John

 

I believe your 65 C4 is actually at green dot C-O-M, Cruse-O-Matic. Later replaced by the C6.

Wont say that you can't run cooling lines, there may be some modding needed.




John

 

C4's were not installed behind FE engines in anything.

F100/350 FE A/T's: 1965/67 352: MX Cruise-O-Matic / 1968/76 360/390: C6

Trans pan bolt holes: C4: 11 / MX C-O-M: 14 / C6: 17.

 

Sorry, you're right it is a cruiseomatic. Was just going by what I was told. However the questions are still there if anyone wants to answer. Thanks, John

 

Seals/gaskets can be replaced in the vehicle, except for the front pump and shaft seal. I would venture to say that if you pulled the trans and took it to a shop, they could have it done in a day with little expense. If you desire, you could also do this in your garage, no big deal.
Are you saying that you have no cooler lines out the side running to the radiator now?
--Mike

 

I haven't seen everything, but never seen an automatic with no cooler at all. Usually it is run to radiator. Boiling the fluid ain't helping anything.

 

No lines anywhere that I can see. I really don't want to pull this as I'm in the dirt and no trans jack. Thanks

 

Music check the main casting for the fluid ports above the oil pan. Check out the weblink to see the possible locations. I know there are a few that routed engine coolant to the transmission, but those may have been something else. http://www.fordification.com/tech/im...sion-lines.jpg

Then there is this tread, https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ny-cooler.html I noticed in a schematic that this particular one is the P series truck but I don't know if it ever made it in the F series.

 

You really need to clean the underside of the truck then, fill the trans and run it to see where it is leaking from. You will have about four places.

Trans pan gasket
Shift linkage seal (driver side)
Rear output shaft seal (in front of rear driveline yolk)
Front input shaft/pump seal (will indicate leak from inside bellhousing)

The first three you can do with the trans in the truck.

Your cooling lines come out the passenger side of the case and may run into a "box" cooler. If that is the case, you can add onto that system with an additional add-on towing type cooler. You can also run lines to the radiator if you have a radiator with the oil cooler built in. If there are two ports at the bottom of the radiator, you have a cooler inside....
--Mike

 

And, I believe, just so you know, that to take the tranny out, you have to cut or grind the rivets out of the radius arm cross member and remove it. If you are lucky, someone has already done that and you will have bolts in there. If you are UN-lucky, some idiot removed the radius arm crossmember and left it out.

Ford, in its wisdom, assembled the drive train with the cab off and then put the cab on. The 65 shop manual makes NO mention of the cross member issue. Later Ford issued instructions, its even in Chiltons, but I spent a day and massive blood and tears getting my C4 into there, withough removing the cross member, thinking that the shop manual cannot be wrong. In this case, it was!!

 

Thanks fellas, just the info I need. Appreciate it. John

 

I installed my C4 with the cab off, but ended up having to take it out again after the cab was on. I too love that stupid crossmember. The taking it out and putting it back is one of the main reasons my new shop is about to have a lift.

 

The OP mis-named this thread with the wrong type of A/T (correct thread title above), so...some of y'all are confusing how the trans was cooled, how it was mounted.

This 1965 F100 w/a 352 has MX Cruise-O-Matic, not a C4. C4's were not installed behind FE engines in any Passenger Car or F100/350.

1965/66 F100/250 352 MX Cruise-O: As original, the trans cooler was installed between the two lower radiator hoses = C5TZ-8289-A .. Trans Cooler.

Many are missing today, because the cooler rusts out, so peeps remove it, install a one piece lower radiator hose, remove the cooler lines from the trans, plug the holes in the case.

Or, they install a trans cooler in front of the radiator, extend the cooling lines.
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As original: 1965/66 F100/250 352 MX / 1967 F100/350 352 MX / 1968/72 F100/350 360/390 C6:

C8TZ-6A023-A (replaced C5TZ-6A023-E) .. Transmission Support (aka crossmember). This bolts to the frame rails, it is not riveted on.

btw: Be aware that this is an MX Cruise-O, not an FMX. The MX uses a different trans pan gasket, different trans filter than the FMX does.

Peeps confuse the MX with the FMX. The only F Series trucks to use an FMX were 1973/77 F350's with the 300 I-6.