bigblue250.. nice point-never crossed my mind.. why would it matter how the air entered the turbo, that thing is gunna spin it the way it wants to anyways

 

Ford spent millions to get EPA blessing to use 5w20 oil in gassers and all for an alleged .two tenths of one mile increase in MPG. If the tornado would provide just .1 increase, or .05 mile increase or for that matter any measurable increase, then Ford and all other manufacturers would install in all new vehicles. If absolutely none of the new car manufacturers who collectively spend tens of millions in annual research think the Tornado is useless, then i have to agree.

 

I certainly see what you folks are saying about the manufacturers being all over this if it worked, but the aftermarket thrives on simple and inexpensive improvements whether your talking about power, performance, economy or handling. I sure have seen a lot of real user results noted in this website about CHIPS such as <a href="http://www.motorhaven.com/">Diablo</a>. How does that fit into the scheeme of car companies willing to do whatever it takesto offer better efficiency to us. I do tend to think that air flow that is turbulant(bouncing around/multidirectional) is going to be less efficient than flow that is organized and flowing in the same pattern be it straight or swirling as long as its organized. If you get more to the turbo quicker, then doesn't the turbo send more into the cylinder. The pump analagy- the more you put in and get out, the greater the efficiency. I'm not passing judgement on the unit, but reasoning is interesting also.
More thoughts??

 

who'd ever thought this would have turned out to be such a contraversial topic... but i have to agree with what black mack said, the aftermarket does have many more fuel saving products then ford could use.. as he said the chips for instance.. i saw a 4 mpg increase, or the better intakes for example they increase mpg dont they? I'm not for or against this tornado product, but all products deserve a chance, unless you have tried a product you shouldn't bash it

 

keep in mind when the manufacturer engineers a vehicle they are balancing many dynamics such as vehicle mfg cost, hp performance, torque performance, reliability, EPA ratings, throttle response, expected manufacturer warranty cost, and on and on. Putting a chip into an engine affects combustion/driveability characteristics and that kind of mod has no relationship whatsoever as to why ford would or would not install a 50 cent, stationary "Tornado" into a vehicle's intake. Ford and all car mfg companies are under intense pressure to increase reported EPA mileage amounts. Does anybody really think that ford would ignore such a simple gadget for a real chance at increasing EPA mileage??? Do late night TV ad experts know more than the collective technical knowledge of all new car manufactuers? new subject: IMO Ford's SVT team is second to none. SVT relentlessly pursue enhanced hp/torque/driveability for the SVT vehicles. These vehicles sell at a large premium , so build cost is a secondary issue while performance (including mpg) are prime considerations. I have seen not one Tornado "air induction improver "on any SVT vehicle, or for that matter on any vehicle from any manufacturer made anywhere in the world. All of the readers here would like to see one confirmed example of any car from any where in the world that uses the marvelous Tornado technology. Is there such an example? there are some things in life i dont need to experience first hand without knowing the result. Tornado engine improvers, most any sales pitch on late night TV and consultations with 1-900 phone call astrologers are examples (not counting phone calls from my X). And hey, anybody out there that buys a tornado, it's a free world (at least for non Iraqi locations) so pls post results.

 

keep in mind when the manufacturer engineers a vehicle they are balancing many dynamics such as vehicle mfg cost, hp performance, torque performance, reliability, EPA ratings, throttle response, expected manufacturer warranty cost, and on and on. Putting a chip into an engine affects combustion/driveability characteristics and that kind of mod has no relationship whatsoever as to why ford would or would not install a 50 cent, stationary "Tornado" into a vehicle's intake. Ford and all car mfg companies are under intense pressure to increase reported EPA mileage amounts. Does anybody really think that ford would ignore such a simple gadget for a real chance at increasing EPA mileage??? Do late night TV ad experts know more than the collective technical knowledge of all new car manufactuers? new subject: IMO Ford's SVT team is second to none. SVT relentlessly pursue enhanced hp/torque/driveability for the SVT vehicles. These vehicles sell at a large premium , so build cost is a secondary issue while performance (including mpg) are prime considerations. I have seen not one Tornado "air induction improver "on any SVT vehicle, or for that matter on any vehicle from any manufacturer made anywhere in the world. All of the readers here would like to see one confirmed example of any car from any where in the world that uses the marvelous Tornado technology. Is there such an example? there are some things in life i dont need to experience first hand without knowing the result. Tornado engine improvers, most any sales pitch on late night TV and consultations with 1-900 phone call astrologers are examples (not counting phone calls from my X). And hey, anybody out there that buys a tornado, it's a free world (at least for non Iraqi locations) so pls post results.

 

First off for those that have one, WHY?

Second any producted pedled on an infomercial at 0200hrs, is doomed to be the next Billy Maze great deal.
I just don't see the benifit of this thing anywhere, besides they have some guy swirling water in a two liter bottle to show you how it works, come on!!! Then they want $60 plus for it. I can spend $5 on a bottle of cetane boost and pick up 1mpg.

Oh, well I'm not getting one. And just so you know it goes in the Inter cooler Tube, on the exit side near the manifold.

Will-

 

Hey, 03f150 man, relax!!
You are absolutely right about the manuacturers trying to please everyone(the govt. most of all in regard ti quotas) at the expense of many specific attributes. However, I think it may be a little to "trusting" to believe that the new car manufacturers are giving you the best and latest in technology to save you money(fuel economy) on any particular vehicle.
Remember the gas crunch of 73/74 when all the ads were quoting high MPG in a piece of "junk" and within the last couple years, Detroits adds are showing high power vehicles with big sound systems skidding all over the TV with absolutely no mention of gas milage at all. This is not even to mention the SUV argument that is ongoing. let gas prices stay at $1.70 for a gallon of regular and you won't be able to give your V-10 Excursion away(it will be as popular as a mink coat to a PETA person).
I think that a good thought provoking discussion is fantastic, and a great oppotunity to share experiences both pro and con.
I do agree with you at this point that my money might be better spent on a chip rather than a "Tornado" but only because I have seen several consistant actual user responses saying that THE CHIP WORKS AS ADVERTISED!!! Please note that the <a href="http://www.motorhaven.com/">Diablo</a> was not an option on my FORD F-350 PSD, which is currently getting 17 MPG. I will be happy if I can get 22 or more MPG and i don't think Ford cares.
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Hey, Ghostrider 304
Where did you get the idea that this gizmo fits inthe turbo outlet. i have the installation instructions from the web site in front of me and it says the turbo "INTAKE". Do you have some different info??

 

I have never used this product and will not defend the actual "Tornado" brand itself. But, the concept is abosolutely rock solid. This product is supposed to be a vortex generator which swirls the incomming air as it exits the device creating a vaccum which packs more air into the combustion chamber. The original applications for this type of device are in racing and real common in motorcycle road racing to gain all possible horsepower. On a turbo charged vehicle I do not see how it could make a real dramatic difference anywhere but in the low end before the turbo picked up. I would be suprised to see one listed for the new 6.0 PSD as the gains reported for the old PSD are minimal they would be almost nonexistent for the 6.0 due to the way the turbo works on the new engine (IMO). If you did get even 1 mpg better gas mileage then it would take about 6months to pay for itself on a 25,000mile per year vehicle @ $1.59 a gallon for diesel ( current price where I live). I would suspect that this product does work at least somewhat or several Federal and state agencies or even lack of consumer demand would have shut them down many years ago when they came out with this thing. Does it work on the PSD? Probably. Does it make a dramatic difference? Absolutely not. Will it save you money? Most likely but for most there are several mods to spend the money on first.

 

Maybe I was not clear here. From what I under stand is this thing is installed post turbo/post intercooler, and close to the intake manifold. (In other word this is one of the last things intake air will pass throgh before being pulled into the engine.) Some where in the intercooler pipes.

Hope this clear up my earlier post on install location. Now just so you know I have not install one of this things, just going off the info from the TV infomercial, that it will do nothing if it is installed before the air gets to the turbo.

Will-