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my engine build up is nearly complete and I am now concerned with exhaust i have a 77 ranchero with a <a href="http://motorhaven.autoanything.com/">400m </a>and I have been unable to find any headers for under like 400 $ which would put my considerably over budget.
my question is could i use cleveland headers, theyre both 2bbl shouldn't it work?
my second question is could I just use headers for say a bronco or pick up truck?
my question is could i use cleveland headers, theyre both 2bbl shouldn't it work?
my second question is could I just use headers for say a bronco or pick up truck?
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The only ones that come to mind are the Hooker Super Comps. Are they way over $400, painted? I didn't price them, but gathered this info from their site. '72-up <a href="http://motorhaven.autoanything.com/">351c </a>Torino may fit, I can't say they won't.
http://www.<a href="http://motorhave.../Car.html#Ford
Year/1973-79
Engine 351-400M
Application FORD/MERCURY Falcon, Fairlane (1966 & Up), Torino, Ranchero/Comet, Cyclone, Montego
Baked-on Black Paint 6125HKR
Metallic Ceramic Coating 6125-1HKR
Footnotes 4, 33
P/S Y
P/B Y
A/C Y
S/T COL N
S/T FL Y
A/T COL Y
A/T FL Y
Tube Size O.D. IN 1-3/4x31"
Coll Size O.D. IN 3"
Coll LN IN 10"
Port Shape SAP
http://www.<a href="http://motorhave.../Car.html#Ford
Year/1973-79
Engine 351-400M
Application FORD/MERCURY Falcon, Fairlane (1966 & Up), Torino, Ranchero/Comet, Cyclone, Montego
Baked-on Black Paint 6125HKR
Metallic Ceramic Coating 6125-1HKR
Footnotes 4, 33
P/S Y
P/B Y
A/C Y
S/T COL N
S/T FL Y
A/T COL Y
A/T FL Y
Tube Size O.D. IN 1-3/4x31"
Coll Size O.D. IN 3"
Coll LN IN 10"
Port Shape SAP
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Truck headers may not have enough ground clearance.
I have headers on my 400 and will reccomend that you get the coated ones. They will rust terribly if you don't. I haven't seen any paint that will stay put.
Starter heating may become a problem. It's when the heat from the headers causes the starter to drag. You can put some thermal wrap around the header and the starter and cover the starter with some gasket material(not cork) or <a href="http://motorhaven.autoanything.com/">sheet metal</a>, then secure with large screw clamps(made like <a href="http://motorhaven.autoanything.com/">hose clamp</a>s).
Put some anti-sieze on the header gaskets. This will keep them from sticking if you have to remove them and seems to help with sealing. Also put some on the header bolts.
Headers are not NEEDED any way. You may can wait a little while and find the ones you really want. Run manifolds until you get them.
I have headers on my 400 and will reccomend that you get the coated ones. They will rust terribly if you don't. I haven't seen any paint that will stay put.
Starter heating may become a problem. It's when the heat from the headers causes the starter to drag. You can put some thermal wrap around the header and the starter and cover the starter with some gasket material(not cork) or <a href="http://motorhaven.autoanything.com/">sheet metal</a>, then secure with large screw clamps(made like <a href="http://motorhaven.autoanything.com/">hose clamp</a>s).
Put some anti-sieze on the header gaskets. This will keep them from sticking if you have to remove them and seems to help with sealing. Also put some on the header bolts.
Headers are not NEEDED any way. You may can wait a little while and find the ones you really want. Run manifolds until you get them.
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If you want Maximum flexability and minimum exhaust fabrication problems....My suggestion would be too either(1) run regular exhaust manifolds or(2) run Block hugger or shorty headers ...say from Sanderson's..they make the highest quality shorty's that are ceramic coated that are available thru the mail. I have a set on my 77 f250 , 4x4 and they fit great. The best thing to do is Just use your old exhaust manifilds....headers are a constant PIA....just like a girlfriend that is never happy....good luck.....fd
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I was under the impression that not having headers would vastly decrease my power is there any way i can get that power by say modifing the stock manifolds or making my own headers?
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Get some stock manifolds and have them extrude honed. My buddy did this on his 86 F-150 so he wouldn't have to modify his new exhaust for headers.
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I was going to suggest this also. When I looked into it a few years ago, they told me I could get 15-20% for flow out of the manifold but would cost $500. I wonder if the price is any better now.
I just got a walk-in deal on a set of shorties from Sanderson.
http://www.sandersonheaders.com/pagesbypartnum/fc3.htm
I just got a walk-in deal on a set of shorties from Sanderson.
http://www.sandersonheaders.com/pagesbypartnum/fc3.htm
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Pipe is a different diameter than tubing so it won't fit the bender tight. A very slight bend maybe, but you'll never get a tight radius. The tubing will collapse easily if a mandrel bender isn't used.
http://www.toolsforbending.com/mandrels2.html
You can buy the pre-bent tubing, exhaust port flanges, collectors, outlet flange, a lot of time and end up spending more than headers cost. I learn from the school of hard knocks.
http://www.toolsforbending.com/mandrels2.html
You can buy the pre-bent tubing, exhaust port flanges, collectors, outlet flange, a lot of time and end up spending more than headers cost. I learn from the school of hard knocks.
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i was going to say shorties but someone got there b4 me so I will second it equal length don't understand why but they look cool any way...lol
but it seems to me that any headers for that chassie would fit or I can't see why not anyway
but it seems to me that any headers for that chassie would fit or I can't see why not anyway
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YOU SHOULD TRY SANDERSON HEADERS IN SAN FRANCISCO, $285 FOR UNCOATED HEADERS YOU CAN USE SEVERAL COATS OF 1200 DEGREE PAINT TO COAT OR THE COATEDS SELL FOR 400.00 I THINK HOPE THIS HELPS!!
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If you are referring to Sanderson, their headers are for the 4V heads but can be used with 2V heads with their adapter plate. The plate isn't needed with Aussie heads. I have a 400 in a '73 LTD that should be the same chassis as a '77 Ranchero. I'll try to eyeball the FC3s to see if there are any interference issues. Remind me if I forget.
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i looked at some headers that were like 100 $ that were shorties. shorties would be an easy isntall right? i am having all new exhaust pipe done so couldnt i jsut have my exhaust guy run the pipe all the way into the compart ment and what problems might i face. i know heat is one but that should nt be bad on a ranchero that has a really large engine compartment
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If ..you can afford them , the sanderson ...ceramic coated headers are the best, short tube headers that you can order thru the mail. One of the first things the instructions from Sandersons will instruct you to do is Get your engine in good running order BEFORE installing your headers...Because(especially with New engines) the Exhaust temperatures are significantly higher during the tuneup process than they are after you get everything running correctly.During the tuneup you should utilize your old exhaust manifolds and THEN install your headers . The higher temp's are very hard on the ceramic coating on the headers. fd
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i cant really afford any 300+ headers if i could i would get the ones from hooker but will universal headers that most companies sell in shorties or block huggers work in a ranchero and will the different deck height from a 351 and a m block make any difference?