Ronin sorry to keep coming back to you but I have more questions. I reset my tuner to WILD mode which I like better than HOT DAM. I hadn't got a chance to drive the truck till tonight. While I was out just testing the new setting my friend called and needed me to move his RV. Just like mine his wieghs 13000 lbs. I know there is no way the tranny could've relearned inn2 miles. After hook it up there is a chugging as it changes gears. If I raise the rpms it goes away but I'm not one to beat on a truck. So do you think as the tranny learns me and towing loads it will stop chugging or should I go down to MILD. Thanks again for all your help.

Joe

 

Joe, that's towing heavy, which requires a tow tune. Personally, I wouldn't tow it one mile, never mind two with that kind of weight on a tune designed for an unladen truck. It may not seem like much but that's a ton of cylinder pressure and load on your motor that it doesn't need, regardless of the relatively short length of the trip...

How many guy's have blown motors just going an 1/8th or a 1/4 of a mile...?!

 

Ronin i checked the h&s web site and it showed WILD as being 80 horsepower and mild I think said 40. Do you think with pulling 13000 lbs I should go lower or even back to stock? I can't get around the 13000 lbs so I just need to figure the right setting. I guess even set at stock just removing the dpf will help. Thanks again for helping me

 

WOW I'm a idiot. I just looked at the web site again and with the dpf delete the wild setting is 160 hp and mild is 80 hp then next is stock. So I'm going to set the tuner to mild which is the 80 hp. What do you think.

 

There you go Joe, sounds like you got it figured out...

Different manufacturers have different power levels for their tow tune(s). You can run a Spartan 210HP tow tune for example while Eric/IDP's tow tune is only 65HP. Not sure about the Spartan tune, but I know Eric said that tow tune if for towing 8K pounds up to capacity, otherwise the Street tune, which is 150HP over stock, is good to go up to the 8K pound "limit".

That's why gauges are SO important, which is also why Spartan is an even better deal for those considering extensive towing use. You can't rely on the truck's stock idiot gauges/lights and monitoring EGTs, boost and transmission temperature while towing are a critical minimum. Engine oil and coolant temperature are also important and backpressure and fuel rail pressure are likewise good to know...

These monsters are built for towing, and without that dang DPF choking the motor they're even more in their natural environment, just need to keep an eye on everything while you're at it!

 

Ronin would there be any reason I couldnt run the truck in stock mode just using the dpf delete. I ve tried getting used to the way she runs and it seems like Im hurting more than helping. When towing even my smaller trailers the truck sometimes starts chattering when I try the speed up. It might still do that in stock Im not sure. Ive got it set at the lowest tune so stock would be the next place. I hope I explained this so Im understood. Thanks again for all your help.

Joe

 

Joe,

Is your tranny/shifting strategy getting the chance to relearn? Until it does it will definitely shift goofy. I'm not sure if H&S has a tune that is stock programming with just a DPF delete, like Spartan does. Otherwise you do NOT want to run a delete pipe on a truck with just stock tuning. You'll quickly end up in constant regen and look like you're spraying for mosquitoes! Hope this helps, please post up or PM if you have any other questions. Good luck!

 

Ok, so I'm about six months from being out of warranty and if I'm not that concerned about mileage but hate that my truck regens ALL THE F'N TIME...what product is best and/or easiest way to delete the DPF? Can I really just sawzall the thing off and clamp in a coupler then buy a plug and play tuner to reset the computer for under $500?

 

You don't cut it out. It just unbolts, and yes you basically just remove it and add a tuner. You need a special bypass pipe made for delete kits though as you will need to install the sensors back in the pipe from the dpf.

 

The kit I have bolts in and does not have holes for the sensors. The tuner took care of the sensors.

 

Joe yes H&S does take care of the sensors and they do have a stock tune for DPF removed, As is said though I would relearn the trans before towing heavy. JMO

 

How long or how many miles should the tranny take to relearn.

Joe

 

If you do the relearn process (stop to 60 1/4 pedal, stop to 60 1/2 pedal and stop to 80 full pedal) usually 100 to 200 miles at the most. Without that process up to 500+ miles. Hope this helps

 

Thanks Ill leave it awhile longer.

 

Joe,

The tranny relearn can take a while if you don't use the Ford recalibration method. And using the Ford method on higher HP tunes is near impossible without getting the truck sideways with the tires smoking!

Remember that firm shifts aren't necessary a bad thing. With increased power you need the shifts firmer to prevent the tranny from slipping and lunching itself. Tuning the transmissions on these trucks at these power levels is really an art form. Eric @ IDP told me he spends more time doing tranny programming that he does engine tuning! H&S has a great rep likewise for its tranny tuning so give a little bit of time, especially if you just retuned and it's a blank slate and you'll be real happy once everything gets all dialed in.

Post up or PM me if you have any more questions or concerns. Later!