Notices
1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Early Eighties Bullnose Ford Truck

Top Loader 3 speed ID help

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 17, 2011 | 10:15 PM
  #1  
jwmustangman's Avatar
jwmustangman
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 70
Likes: 2
Top Loader 3 speed ID help

Hello all. I have been a member for a while, but I usually just read and don't do much posting. Please forgive me. I plan to change that. I have several ford trucks, but the current question is about a ford truck trans I am running in my dirt track car. I have a 3 speed manual trans that I bought from a buddy out of the corner of his garage for $40. I have run it for 3 years in a stock car in 2nd gear. It has worked flawlessly and I have never had an issue with it. My rpms are what I want, but I am fixing to change rear ends and run my final drive in the rear end and run high gear (1:1) in the trans. Here is my question. I need to know what gear ratio 2nd is in my trans so i can multiply it by my current rear end ratio to get my final drive number so I know what gear to get for my new rear end. I have done a lot of searching on the net and haven't found what I needed. There doesn't seem to be a lot of info, but from what I have heard and read some stuff saying these are 3.03 trannys, but I have no idea what that means. My buddy that I got the tranny off of says he took it out of a 1983 2WD Ford F-150 with a 300 6cyl and a 3 on the tree. So far what I can get off the tag looks like this...

RAT EM JK4
EOTRCA 2133

Not sure if this is what is needed to decode the ratios or not, but I am hoping ya'll can help. Any info on this tranny would be appreciated! Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2011 | 11:07 PM
  #2  
Franklin2's Avatar
Franklin2
Moderator
25 Year Member
Photogenic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,980
Likes: 2,735
From: Virginia
Club FTE Gold Member
You are correct, there is not much info on this tranny. If you happen to have it out of your car, I would put it in 2nd gear and turn the input shaft counting the number of turns the input shaft makes to make the output shaft turn 1 turn. That will be the ratio.
 
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2011 | 11:19 PM
  #3  
85e150's Avatar
85e150
Super Moderator
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 34,481
Likes: 2,801
Club FTE Gold Member
"303" is in reference to the 3.03 inches between the main shaft and the counter shaft.

Ratios MIGHT be 2.99/1.75/1.

That seems to be the truck ratios for that trans.

One trick I saw was to put the trans in gear, and turn the output shaft 10 times. Count the output turns and do the math. You get enough of a "sample" with 10 turns to get it right.

http://classicbroncos.com/tranny-toploader.shtml
 
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2011 | 11:28 PM
  #4  
Franklin2's Avatar
Franklin2
Moderator
25 Year Member
Photogenic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,980
Likes: 2,735
From: Virginia
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by 85e150six4mtod
"303" is in reference to the 3.03 inches between the main shaft and the counter shaft.

Ratios MIGHT be 2.99/1.75/1.

That seems to be the truck ratios for that trans.

One trick I saw was to put the trans in gear, and turn the output shaft 10 times. Count the output turns and do the math. You get enough of a "sample" with 10 turns to get it right.

Classic Broncos .com - Tech: Bronco Transmission Guide - Toploader 4 Speed Manual Tranny * 66-77 Early Ford Broncos
That makes sense. If 2nd gear was 1.75, instead of trying to judge the input shaft turning 1 3/4 turns for 1 turn of the output,, it would be 17.5 turns for 10 turns of the output.
 
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2011 | 11:34 PM
  #5  
85e150's Avatar
85e150
Super Moderator
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 34,481
Likes: 2,801
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Franklin2
That makes sense. If 2nd gear was 1.75, instead of trying to judge the input shaft turning 1 3/4 turns for 1 turn of the output,, it would be 17.5 turns for 10 turns of the output.
Another way to skin the cat!
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2011 | 12:33 AM
  #6  
jwmustangman's Avatar
jwmustangman
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 70
Likes: 2
Dang you guys are quick!!! Thanks for the replies! 1.75 would seem reasonable. I tried the turn the input/count the output thing but wanted to get closer than "somewhere between 1.6 and 2.0" Doing the math using 1.75 would give me 5.72 final drive, which is about right cause most are running 6.20 or 6.33 and are turning abywhere from 1000-1500 more rpm. Thanks again guys. I'll roll with the 1.75. I guess the 9" gear available that is closest to 5.72 is like a 5.67 I think. That should work.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Shadowrider123
1961 - 1966 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
2
Sep 11, 2016 12:28 AM
mrm8174
1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
8
Jul 31, 2016 03:58 PM
mr.precision
1947 and Older Ford Trucks
8
Jan 2, 2016 09:05 AM
jes26201
1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
13
Jul 29, 2012 01:16 AM
roundman 50
1961 - 1966 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
16
Dec 20, 2010 09:06 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:16 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-1
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-3
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-5
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-7
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE