Hmmm, seems he doesn't want to do that, that's too bad.

Well, it *is* only a few bucks each and if Erik is willing to pay $100 for the thing and
then trust that others will send him whatever is fair then we could do it that way, too.

He is still keeping one of us from collecting money from the others and submitting a
mass order, he's doing this by allowing for one purchase at $100 and subsequent
orders at $60. For all we know, that $60 price may extend forever from thereon out?

And it's not like we're talking hundreds of dollars here, perhaps we shouldn't be putting
all that effort into it....

Whatever ends up happening, I have a replacement cab and would like to get one of
these stickers with *my* VIN on it, and 00Boss brings up a good point about paint colors,
(I have no idea what color I'm gonna paint mine) and I changed my rear axle, it'd be
cool if it all matched up.

So, Erik... do you know or can we ask him about changing the codes on these
stickers? As in, say, a sticker is unreadable or we want to change it for the reasons
we mentioned here.

From talking with Bill (NumberDummy) we can't expect Kevin (Marti) to know the
codes or be able to look them up for us, that's gonna have to be our job. But I think we
have enough people here with books where we can find much of that information....

 

I think it doesn't really matter what you are hauling until you reach 26,001 pounds at that point you need a cdl with airbrakes.

Personally, I'd let it lie and not worry about that depending on how much you plan to tow. The important thing is to not go over that 26.1k pounds and you are golden here. Now, I personally would weight my truck at the cat scales to see how heavy it is. I believe if your truck is like 10k pounds you may have to declare a registration weight at the DMV and pay the associated charges.

 

I believe what will happen is that we are supposed to upload a picture of the tag and he will then copy it, (the only spot for such item is listed on his item as requiring that.) I guess I need to make clear that he can make what we want and not a metal tag like the older ones. However, if the tag is unreadable I'm sure a combination of users, books etc. would be satisfactory...

 

It sounds like he wants $100 for the First one so he can make a template or blank.

$60 for the sticker, $40 for the cost of making the template or blank.

That's why it will cost $60 for the other duplicates, as the blank would already be made.

Please make sure of this above however, as if it's $100 for the first, and $60 for additional exact copies of the first, it wouldn't do us any good. etc...

 

Well it sounds like I may have to put up some money next month huh?

 

This is a VERY good point!!!!!!!!!! Ten copies of the same thing wouldn't help anybody....

 

Wow I didnt even think of that. Ill hold my tonge next time lol

 

Not to rain on this, but since this is a federaly required legal "document" / sticker with Ford's name on it, as well as the VIN, I would hazard to guess.... But I bet there are serious legal complications with this, especially if any of the information on this "legal" document is changed.

Now adding another "document" / sticker in ADDITION to the Ford one is ok, that is how custom builders / body builders do it, BUT NEVER do they change the legal tag as installed by Ford, as required to be there by Federal Law. Thers is simply a recertification tag at the new levels.

To clarify, once a custom builer adds his/hers companys legal document to the pillar, Fords legal document then becomes a "inncomplete vehicle builders document/certification" and the custom builders becomes the "complete vehicle document/certification"

Due to the potential criminal acts in changing a legal and probably copyrighted document, I have to agree with ctubutis that FTE should stay well away from this one.

Just my thoughts - David

 

What I am failing to understand is that said label is not the vin plate, that is found at the front of the dash board and other places on the vehicle. The purpose of this endevor is not to change or alter any documents, but if Ford would like to ship me a new document that certainly would be appreciated. Since they won't it appears I will have to shell out the $100 dollars to replace the eye sore of a sticker. I've spent tens of hours on everything else and this is the last thing really bothering me....

 

I an understand your fustration. This certification sticker / tag / document however is mandated by the Federal Govenrmnet, as well as what exact information MUST appear on it. Like the VIN tag, it is also something that is required, and once set is a legal document, just like a VIN.

Glovemeister, I understand that you just want to get a new / good shape one. That should be fine, provided you keep as much of the old one as possible to potential prove that nothing was altered.

I beleive the problem comes in when some, as they have mentioned want to change it, while certain NON required items could be changed I imagine?, certain required items cannot be changed (GVWR, FAWR & RAWR) - they can be admended by a licenced custom build shop (who would NOT remove the Ford label), but additionaly install a additional certification, but once set by Ford, or any other custom builder, the certification is set for life. That is the rub.

You probably still have to deal with the copyright issue, but i seriously doubt that Ford at this late date is going to say anything.

David

 

Marti has a deal with Ford, so copyright issues shouldn't be of concern. They already make duplicate door tags for 1979 and older. Ford has to go through Marti to get build sheet information for 1979 and older as well.

The other concerns about changing what's on the lable are valid however.

 

Unfortunately on a crew cab the sticker is on the rear of the driver's door. My door was mangled by the PO so I replaced it with one from a 90 standard cab. I was unable to get the original off, but did take a couple of good pictures of it so if I can get a duplicate made it would be great. I currently have a sticker we made at work with a label printer that has all the original information on it. I would be interested if it happens.

 

I do know that at least in WA state, body shops will cut the sticker and the metal it is attatched to out of the door/jam that they are replacing and this then stayes with the truck / car. This way there is no issue with a potential stolen car that has been retagged, etc.

Same with a replacement speedo, if the milage cannot be set to what the current speedo is at, then a sticker must be attatched to the door jam showing that the speedo was replaced, and showing the milage on the replacement speedo.

I guess this all comes down to a case of potential fraud, IE stickers that have been changed could be a sign of a washed title or a retagged stolen car. Same with the speedo, except it might be indication a speedo roll back.

Not that anyone on the FTE web site is that crooked I would hope, but since some on here think it is perfectly permissible to remove / defeat any or all of the emmision controls on there on road trucks, even though it is expressly against the law to do so (federal law), regardless of state testing or not, I would hazard to guess that some might take this opertunity to perform something shady.

David

 

Why do they do that when Bodyshops can contact Ford and get a new one? It takes a body or repair shop, and a police report and investigation, according to numberdummy. He also said the parts manager of a Ford Dealer is the only one who can order a new one.

It's different in California. When You sell the vehicle you record what the speedometer states, then check the box, "Not actual mileage, Speedometer beyond mechanical limits".

Right, why the bodyshops have to go through the hoops to get a new one.

I think it's permissible when the original system is beyond repair. Like doing a DS-II conversion, because of the lack of replacement parts. But if the original system is in good working order, leave it alone. Better to repair the truck with a DS-II conversion and have a good running vehicle, than it is to have a defunct system, have it running poorly and poluting more than if you didn't do the conversion in the first place.

I think you are comparing apples and oranges, as car thieves and people trying to repair their vehicles with increasingly rare and hard to find, if not impossible to find parts, are two different things. But that debate belongs in another thread.

 

My personal feelings are, so long as the sticker matches what is on the title, all should be
fine.

I can understand the fear of people changing the ID of a vehicle to avoid theft detection but
these things are pretty much worthless and around 30yo which makes my mind think it's a
non-issue.

Has anybody asked FoMoCo Corporate or a local dealer about getting one of these?