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Old 04-05-2011, 10:13 PM
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there is much info on this forum about the shrouded ATS, but it gets very confusing. Ziggy has a nack for putting it in words I can understand. What say you Ziggy?
 
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Originally Posted by knuckleheadnut
briefly, what does the ATS ported shroud compressor housing with larger intake opening do for the stock Garrett. I know it is supposed to eliminate surge. And with a larger intake, I guess it flows more? moves the line to the right? what about spool up?
I believe ATS worked with garrett to develop the GTP38r, and released their ATS housing right before the GTP38r came out. So I would not be surprised that the blue graph above has some similarities such as offsetting upward and more line on the right. I can not find anything relevant information about the housing, such as if they increased the AR of the compressor housing, which means more flow, less surge, but less spool.
 
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Old 04-06-2011, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by knuckleheadnut
briefly, what does the ATS ported shroud compressor housing with larger intake opening do for the stock Garrett. I know it is supposed to eliminate surge. And with a larger intake, I guess it flows more? moves the line to the right? what about spool up?
I have never had one, but from my understanding this is what I get from it:

The housing itself is pretty much the same, other than a 4'' opening, and surge ports machince into the housing.

You have 2 options when you have surge, either a WW or ported housing. The WW flows slightly less air to not "out run" the housing in other words.
The ATS ported housing fixes the problem on the housing side instead of the wheel. Thust allowing you to keep a compressor wheel that flows a little more than the WW. It also helps out flow on the intake side going into the turbo.

A turbo with the ATS housing doesn't really flow anymore air than a stocker. Other than when the stock turbo is not flowing much air bc its surging. In other words, it flows the same cfm, same spoolup, same max boost as a stock turbo, just without the turbo.

If that makes any sense
 
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Originally Posted by Ziggy.
You have 2 options when you have surge, either a WW or ported housing.
You can also change the turbine housing, bigger AR help with surge as well. It also helps with power at upper rpms and lower's EGT's. All at the cost of slower spool-up.

From what I hear is that the van's turbo has the same compressor side, but a 1.15 AR turbine wheel.
 
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:45 AM
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Bigger exhaust housing does work
I rebuilt a Turbo for Mike. With a 1.0 housing and he said it def helped
 
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Awesome, I bought the van turbo knowing that it was better but never really looked into why lol. Thanks for the info guys I appreciate it. In all reality what kind of difference should the van trbo make when I install it? Im waiting to put it on because Im gonna buy bellowed up-pipes and install them at the same time, my up-pipes are leaking and Im only able to make 18lbs of boost
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:03 AM
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The van Turbo will be a touch laggier on the bottom end but pull harder and longer up top
 
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Any idea what jump in HP and TQ might be there?
 
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Any idea what jump in HP and TQ might be there?
30-50 HP / 60-100 tq depending on supporting mods and hpop health
 
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30-50 HP / 60-100 tq depending on supporting mods and hpop health
All the mods that are done to my truck are in my sig., supporting enough? Ive only got 101K and my HPOP has no issues., is there anything else I can spend some money on lol
 
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All the mods that are done to my truck are in my sig., supporting enough? Ive only got 101K and my HPOP has no issues., is there anything else I can spend some money on lol
Have you ran ur truck on AE to verify hpop pressure vs duty cycle in all of ur tunes?
 
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That I have not done, I dont have access to that
 
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That I have not done, I dont have access to that
Where are u located? I'm sure someone on here would help. Data log ur truck with thiers if they are near u
 
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Monroe, Michigan. South of Detroit but just north of Toledo Ohio
 
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I would talk to Joey about a modded 17* hpop if you are looking to put money towards something, unless you are planning on going with bigger inj and turbo later on down the road
 


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