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From: Pflugerville, tx
UPDATE.....Ford Area Rep. has agreed to send a sample of the fuel in question to a lab to test and if the sulfur content is ulsd Ford will pay for all repairs. He told me ford doesn't care what color the fuel is, it just has to be ULSD. Testing will take about 2 days. He also said that because I drove the truck to the dealer right away when the message came on that by running through a couple of tanks of quality fuel we might clean the NOx sensor and save replacing it. They are changing all fuel filters and purging all the fuel lines and then resetting the computer. Then after driving they will see if the contaminated DEF message comes back on at which time the sensor would have to be replaced. The Ford Rep. went out of his way to be helpful to me. If the test comes back bad then "it is what it is" and I'll have to take it like a man.
Sam
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From: Central NJ
What sucks is that if a pump is labeled ULSD, and it still has some old regular deisel in it and you run on it, you get stuck with the repairs. You think the gas jockeys are going to cough up $1,200 to fix your truck? Me thinks not....
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At that point, all you can do is go after the fuel station (corp hq) with your repair bill in hand, fuel receipt and maybe even a picture of the pump and your truck at it.
Now in the case of garbenn, there may not be a corp hq for this station and they'll flat out refuse.
For larger chains (such as Shell) the people behind the desk will simply forward to their area manager who will take it from there, if at all.
I've never actually had to do this but seems to me this is what would happen.
If the fuel is tested and is ULSD, then the above doesn't matter.
Some piece of hardware failed and then would be Ford's concern because it appears there is nothing different with off-road diesel other than it's illegal for tax purposes.
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Can you still get LSD for onroad fuel? I looked at the pump the other day when filling my 7.3 and it doesnt state what it is. I am guessing it is ULSD but not for sure. It is at a major chain (citgo), I would ask the attendant but do not feel they would have the answer for me.
Post Fiend
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From: Greenwood, SC
Can you still get LSD for onroad fuel? I looked at the pump the other day when filling my 7.3 and it doesnt state what it is. I am guessing it is ULSD but not for sure. It is at a major chain (citgo), I would ask the attendant but do not feel they would have the answer for me.
If I remember right, as of 12/10 it will be unlawful for any low sulphur diesel to be sold at the refinery. Check it out though, it's been a long time since I read through the stuff.
Back in '08 it was a real pain to find ULSD, BP and Shell were the only consistent places to go for a while.
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From: Kaysville Utah
I have a friend who is the president of a local refinery. He said it cost them $300 hundred million to convert their refinery to ULSD. For them it's not cost effective to run to diesel refineries. So all of their diesel fuel is ULSD. And as stated it just a matter of a red dye pack being added to signify that it's untaxed. So if they buy their Red and ULSD fuel from the same refinery, It's probably all ULSD.
Now there COULD BE refineries that don't cater to the general hiway public that might have decided not to spend the $300 million to convert their refineries. They may have been satisfied to sell LSD to the off road market and the cousin products home fuel oil and Kerosene for Jet fuel. There is a cut off for them to stop shipping LSD, but I don't know when that cut off is. The point being is that the station owners could have shopped the spot market and bought a load of Off Road fuel from a different refinery than their normal ULSD fuel. If that is what happened, Then you have a very real chance of LSD fuel.
Good Luck
Now there COULD BE refineries that don't cater to the general hiway public that might have decided not to spend the $300 million to convert their refineries. They may have been satisfied to sell LSD to the off road market and the cousin products home fuel oil and Kerosene for Jet fuel. There is a cut off for them to stop shipping LSD, but I don't know when that cut off is. The point being is that the station owners could have shopped the spot market and bought a load of Off Road fuel from a different refinery than their normal ULSD fuel. If that is what happened, Then you have a very real chance of LSD fuel.
Good Luck
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From: Elma, NY
The Ford dealership has not called with the test results yet that the Ford Rep sent in from my truck. I would have thought the results would have come back as the Rep. said it takes 2 days and they were sent in on Monday. I hope no news is good news at this point. The pump is defintly marked USLD on both road and off road pumps. In NY State all Fuel including off road had to change over to ULSD by 12/10 with no exceptions or face fines Im headed to the dealer tomarrow with all the intetion of paying the bill. If ford is going to take care of it, all the better.
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I work in an oil refinery and currently on road diesel is Ultra low sulfur diesel and off road is not. But that will change in 2012 when fed law will require all diesel to be Ultra low sulfur diesel. So we are building another Ultra low sulfur diesel unit so all of our diesel we produce is Ultra low sulfur diesel.
Tuned
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Sounds like you are making progress. Ifit truley was bad fuel I am suprpised you made it 200 miles. Premium Unleaded only gets you about 8 miles and a $1000+ Spent 2 days in Blue Earth MN for that little F-Up in my 6.0 2 years ago.
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From: Elma, NY
Not real good. The report came back from the lab with a very high sulfur content. The Cetane was good at 41.03 (min 40)
Water was 113 (min500ppm)
Water & Sediment 0.05 (max .05 % vol)
ISO Cleanliness Code 15/12/9 (max 20/19/15)
API Gravity 31.39 ( typical in the 30's)
BUT THE BIG ONE SULFER 2571 ppm It's suppose to be 5ppm.
I can't figure where all the sulfur would come from. I'm not sure it makes any sense because even off road fuel should be only no more then 500ppm. But I said I would eat the repair if the report came back bad so It cost me about $1200 by the time I was done. Pretty expensive tank of fuel and an expensive lesson learned. I'm going to try to deal with the Indian Reservation station, but I paid for the fuel with cash and I don't see muck luck in proving the bad fuel came from them.
Lesson to all... buy good fuel because these 6.7s will not run om bad fuel.
Water was 113 (min500ppm)
Water & Sediment 0.05 (max .05 % vol)
ISO Cleanliness Code 15/12/9 (max 20/19/15)
API Gravity 31.39 ( typical in the 30's)
BUT THE BIG ONE SULFER 2571 ppm It's suppose to be 5ppm.
I can't figure where all the sulfur would come from. I'm not sure it makes any sense because even off road fuel should be only no more then 500ppm. But I said I would eat the repair if the report came back bad so It cost me about $1200 by the time I was done. Pretty expensive tank of fuel and an expensive lesson learned. I'm going to try to deal with the Indian Reservation station, but I paid for the fuel with cash and I don't see muck luck in proving the bad fuel came from them.
Lesson to all... buy good fuel because these 6.7s will not run om bad fuel.
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From: BC Canada
Atleast try to get the stn to deal with it. They need to know any new truck fueling up there is going to have this damage done. In fact, they should be addressing with their supplier, and you can threaten to go to the epa. What plant is that crap coming from and who is still selling it? Either that or it has sat there for 2 years?