6.7L powerstroke friendly programmers?
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On the 6.7 the DEF and the DPF devices reduce the particulates to less than a gas engine with a turbo. Increased particulates in the air is one of the leading causes of increased asthma rates in children. If you remove these devices, be sure to dump the increased particulates into the air you breathe and not the air I breathe. Yes, we all pollute, but why make it worse?
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A little perspective...
May 18th, 1980 Mt. St. Helens single handedly emitted more particulate into the air than all the internal combustion engines ever made on the planet combined.
Earth deals with particulate very well.
Not trying to start an argument but I notice you drive a diesel and not a solar or wind powered car, therefore you are "making it worse". Scale is everything.
May 18th, 1980 Mt. St. Helens single handedly emitted more particulate into the air than all the internal combustion engines ever made on the planet combined.
Earth deals with particulate very well.
Not trying to start an argument but I notice you drive a diesel and not a solar or wind powered car, therefore you are "making it worse". Scale is everything.
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I agree we all pollute. My point is why make it worse? Your point is like the Japanese saying that there is background radiation all the time, these damaged reactors only increase it a little bit. The Russians learned that a little more makes a huge long term impact.
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Okay, this is starting to venture waaay too far off topic. This thread is about tuners and the 6.7L engine, NOT a discussion about pollution.
If you guys want to discuss air pollution start your own thread.
Thanks!
If you guys want to discuss air pollution start your own thread.
Thanks!
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Im just saying, to me its worth tuning the 6.7 and taking off all the emissions stuff for better MPGs. I personally wouldnt tune/delete everything until about 20,000 miles. Just to make sure some things are going to hold up
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OK, I'm done. But keep in mind that modifying the 2011 emissions systems IS about pollution. I think Ford would agree. This is why it is against the law and voids your warranty.
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voids your warranty- to some people thats important, it is to me. That's why id wait till I have 20,000 miles on it
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a bit more on topic - do NOT believe the claims from tuner manufacturers that their tuners are untraceable.
Applying a tune requires that the computer accept the software being uploaded. If the creators of that computer decide that they want to log every upload, then they log it. There is ZERO that the tuner can do to make it untraceable. In the past, the average PCM was set up to blindly accept new programming as long as the initialization string was correct - basically assuming that anyone who speaks the right language is telling the truth.
Given the tuner-related issues Ford had with the Navistar engines, They obviously decided to start keeping track of who the computer talks to. Even if a tuner company figured out how to "fake it" and appear like a factory or dealer programmer, the associated service record would not exist... comparing the PCM logs to the VIN logs in the system would provide pretty cut-and-dry evidence of who programmed it.
Applying a tune requires that the computer accept the software being uploaded. If the creators of that computer decide that they want to log every upload, then they log it. There is ZERO that the tuner can do to make it untraceable. In the past, the average PCM was set up to blindly accept new programming as long as the initialization string was correct - basically assuming that anyone who speaks the right language is telling the truth.
Given the tuner-related issues Ford had with the Navistar engines, They obviously decided to start keeping track of who the computer talks to. Even if a tuner company figured out how to "fake it" and appear like a factory or dealer programmer, the associated service record would not exist... comparing the PCM logs to the VIN logs in the system would provide pretty cut-and-dry evidence of who programmed it.
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a bit more on topic - do NOT believe the claims from tuner manufacturers that their tuners are untraceable.
Applying a tune requires that the computer accept the software being uploaded. If the creators of that computer decide that they want to log every upload, then they log it. There is ZERO that the tuner can do to make it untraceable. In the past, the average PCM was set up to blindly accept new programming as long as the initialization string was correct - basically assuming that anyone who speaks the right language is telling the truth.
Given the tuner-related issues Ford had with the Navistar engines, They obviously decided to start keeping track of who the computer talks to. Even if a tuner company figured out how to "fake it" and appear like a factory or dealer programmer, the associated service record would not exist... comparing the PCM logs to the VIN logs in the system would provide pretty cut-and-dry evidence of who programmed it.
Applying a tune requires that the computer accept the software being uploaded. If the creators of that computer decide that they want to log every upload, then they log it. There is ZERO that the tuner can do to make it untraceable. In the past, the average PCM was set up to blindly accept new programming as long as the initialization string was correct - basically assuming that anyone who speaks the right language is telling the truth.
Given the tuner-related issues Ford had with the Navistar engines, They obviously decided to start keeping track of who the computer talks to. Even if a tuner company figured out how to "fake it" and appear like a factory or dealer programmer, the associated service record would not exist... comparing the PCM logs to the VIN logs in the system would provide pretty cut-and-dry evidence of who programmed it.
great information. thanks!
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I would sure hate for the IDS to throw a "tuned" code when it isn't true.
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Along djjoshuad's line of thinking,
All the PCM has to do is timestamp and log the hour meter every time it is programmed. It doesn't take many bytes of flash memory to do that. I'm sure Ford keeps track of when and what version was last updated too. If the truck's timestamp doesn't match Ford's timestamp, or it shows it was recently programmed, then....
All the PCM has to do is timestamp and log the hour meter every time it is programmed. It doesn't take many bytes of flash memory to do that. I'm sure Ford keeps track of when and what version was last updated too. If the truck's timestamp doesn't match Ford's timestamp, or it shows it was recently programmed, then....