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Old 03-13-2011, 07:35 PM
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motor swap help please ?????????

I need help please I have a 1960 f250 had 292 in but pulled it now trying to put a 360 from a 73 pick up.I put the cross member out of the donor truck.First thing is the mount bracets don't look right. Then another thing is it seems like i have to take to old trans crossmember out. Can yall please help tell me what you had to to do an engine swap. Like i said PLEASE HELP.
 
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Old 03-13-2011, 08:09 PM
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1973 had two types of towers/perches/mounts, the 2wd, and the 4x4. The 2wd rested on top of the crossmember, and required the crossmember to be there for support. The 4x4 mounts went directly to the frame, which had a reinforcement built in. Here's a pic:

never mind the writing, I was using these for a question on the 73-79 forum.

To add, the 2wd crossmember butts up under the top lip of the c channel section of the frame, with the perch bolting in over the top.
 
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Old 03-13-2011, 08:23 PM
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its 2wd do you know if the trans crossmember has to be cut out
 
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Old 03-13-2011, 08:28 PM
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Well, we are talking about two entirely different frames between 1960 and 1973, so nothing is gonna really match. That said, the transmission, should remain in place (though the bolt pattern is different), which would locate your engine where it is supposed to be. If you can swap a bellhousing onto your current tranny with the FE bolt pattern, then I would say the tranny crossmember can stay. However, I'm not sure if those year trucks had a trans mount built into the bell or not. If they do, then you will need a different crossmember. I'm glad I went with my gut instinct:

Looking at this pic, I would say everything has to be removed, the frame cut to fit the '73 crossmember for the engine, and the trans crossmember to be fabbed. Or I would go with a tubular set of crossmembers from CPP.
 
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i just wasnt sure if the orginal trans corssmember need to be cut out of the way to get the motor to sit right or will it get be ok with it still there.I know im going to have to put the other tran crossmember from the donor truck just wondering
 
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My last pic shows a frame like yours. Notice how level the frame rail is. Here's a picture of a '67 F250. Notice how it dips as it goes under the cab.

That would mean the tranny crossmember will not work right. Also, look at the height of the frame rail between the two where the engine crossmember would go. There may be fitment issues there as well.

I should add, that I think it was 1965 when the twin I beam started, and thus the frame change between 1965 and newer, and 1957-64.

A picture of how you have the crossmember put in would help.
 
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its dark now ill take one in the morning.
 
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It would be a lot cleaner swap to go with an aftermarket engine cross member. It was actually made to swap the FE into your age truck.

Here check this out part # 4017.

Trans Dapt Performance Products - Engine Swap Motor Mount Kits


You don't want to cut away any of your stock cross members unless it's absolutely necessary. Because that's part of the structure of your frame.
 
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It would be a lot cleaner swap to go with an aftermarket engine cross member. It was actually made to swap the FE into your age truck. Here check this out part # 4017. Trans Dapt Performance Products - Engine Swap Motor Mount Kits
You don't want to cut away any of your stock cross members unless it's absolutely necessary. Because that's part of the structure of your frame.
Absolutely correct.
 
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Originally Posted by fordman75 View Post
It would be a lot cleaner swap to go with an aftermarket engine cross member. It was actually made to swap the FE into your age truck.

Here check this out part # 4017.

Trans Dapt Performance Products - Engine Swap Motor Mount Kits


You don't want to cut away any of your stock cross members unless it's absolutely necessary. Because that's part of the structure of your frame.
Yep, that's like the tubular ones I was talking about through CPP.

http://www.classicperform.com/Store/...ck/CP35228.htm
http://www.classicperform.com/Store/...ck/CP90045.htm
 
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Your making an easy swap hard. You need a bellhousing for a FE/FT from a larger F Series , this will bolt your engine and trans togather and bolt to the crossmember. You also need a front mount from a larger Fseries and with very little work will bolt in the same as the Y block did. You probably will need front timing cover that will allow you to bolt up the front mount, one from a MD/FT 330 will work. Some of the older pickups with 352's will have the conversion parts too. I have a 57 F600 that was a 292 and changed it to a 390 so I have first hand experience. If you need more info PM me and I help all I can.

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Your making an easy swap hard. You need a bellhousing for a FE/FT from a larger F Series , this will bolt your engine and trans togather and bolt to the crossmember. You also need a front mount from a larger Fseries and with very little work will bolt in the same as the Y block did. You probably will need front timing cover that will allow you to bolt up the front mount, one from a MD/FT 330 will work. Some of the older pickups with 352's will have the conversion parts too. I have a 57 F600 that was a 292 and changed it to a 390 so I have first hand experience. If you need more info PM me and I help all I can.

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Sounds much easier to me! All you have to do is search and search and search until you find a big truck with the correct parts. Then you need to pull the bellhousing and front mount and timing cover off the donor. Then pull your transmission off your 360 and hope it's not an automatic or you are S.O.L. Then bolt on the big truck bellhousing. Then tear down the front of your 360 and swap out the timing cover and install the front mount.


Your right sounds much easier then bolting in two aftermarket crossmembers!
 
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I already went thought the hard part of getting the crossmember out the other truck and in mine.I kept all the mounts bracets from the 1973 360 auto engine crossmember,motor mounts, trans crossmember. Im only 22 this is my first project,vehicle,truck and i got my father inlaw helping so i really thank all of you for the info and advise please keep te comments comming
 
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If you can take some pics of what you have already done, it will help a lot. Put them in your album or where ever you can. We are trying to help, but it's tough over the net....
 
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The man asked for engine swap help -- so I presented a possible solution to his problem -- this was ment to help .----SO Fordman 75 I don't care for the sarcasim I've done a many of these swaps in the past and never had a problem finding the nessary parts. It's his truck and its up to him to proceed as he likes.

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