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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 08:14 AM
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Exclamation 302 Fuel Consumption

I have a 91 F-150 with a stock 302, the only change was removal of a bad A/C compressor. I have a idler pulley installed in it's place. On to the question/issue I am having.

I drive mostly country roads 55 - 60 MPHs, and very little in town driving 25 - 35 mph. I did have a miss fire and located a burnt spark plug wire, where it had been too close to the exhaust manifold. After changing the wires (yes, I changed and re-routed all of the wires), the truck went up to 15 MPG for one tank of fuel, then next three tanks have been right at 10 MPG. I am puzzled as how I could get that much of a drop without any obvious signs of problems.

I have checked all the wires, vacuum lines, cap, rotor, changed the coil with another one (no difference), checked fuel lines for leakage. I am stumped! Please Help!
 
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 09:10 AM
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Do you have dual tanks? If so is the mileage the same between the two? Have you checked for codes? Many times there can be a problem without having a Check Engine Light on.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 10:27 AM
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Yes I do have dual tanks, they both are getting the same MPGs. No I haven't checked for codes, as I do not have a code reader, I'll stop in by the auto parts store to have them read codes.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 11:01 AM
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Warm up the engine and transmission then do this: Ford Fuel Injection » How To Run a Self-Test
 
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Any time spend below norm op temp will be low MPG. Short trip stop & go are MPG killers.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ymeski56
Any time spend below norm op temp will be low MPG. Short trip stop & go are MPG killers.

The shortest trips I take in the truck are at least 20 miles. Most are 30 - 50 or more. But I do agree with you on the short trips, still I would expect at least 12 - 13 on short trips.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 03:17 PM
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Warm up the engine and transmission then do this: Ford Fuel Injection » How To Run a Self-Test
I am not sure I am grouping these correctly, but here's what I counted.

33 / 31 / 33 / 31 / 1 / 1 / 72 / 17 / 33 / 34 / 44 / 52 / 17 / 21 / 73 / 33 / 44 / 62

Not sure if these will make sense to you, but that's how I counted it.

 
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Originally Posted by Brian_W
I am not sure I am grouping these correctly, but here's what I counted.

33 / 31 / 33 / 31 / 1 / 1 / 72 / 17 / 33 / 34 / 44 / 52 / 17 / 21 / 73 / 33 / 44 / 62

Not sure if these will make sense to you, but that's how I counted it.

This is KOEO (key on/ engine off)?

Was engine at norm op. temp?
 
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Originally Posted by ymeski56
This is KOEO (key on/ engine off)?

Was engine at norm op. temp?

Sorry about that, yes those are read in KOEO... And the Engine was in Normal Operating Temp Range. ( I drove it about 25 - 30 miles just before testing, to warm it up. )
 
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Originally Posted by Brian_W
I am not sure I am grouping these correctly, but here's what I counted.

33 / 31 / 33 / 31 / 1 / 1 / 72 / 17 / 33 / 34 / 44 / 52 / 17 / 21 / 73 / 33 / 44 / 62

Not sure if these will make sense to you, but that's how I counted it.

you may want to run the test again and recount. it should give a list of codes and then repeat the list, it looks like in the second group you have a number off on a couple codes.
 
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Ok, I had the wife come out with me and had her count the blinks as well. Today we came up with completely different results. Here's what I got. These were read KOEO...

11 / 66 / 36 / 11 / 43 / 34 / 11 / 66 / 36 / 11 / 43 / 34
 
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Originally Posted by Brian_W
Ok, I had the wife come out with me and had her count the blinks as well. Today we came up with completely different results. Here's what I got. These were read KOEO...

11 / 66 / 36 / 11 / 43 / 34 / 11 / 66 / 36 / 11 / 43 / 34
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How old is your O2 sensor. More than 60K miles, replace.

66 = TOT sensor input below self test, or vane air flow circuit below minimum (E4OD)
Never seen that code before! TOT = Transmission oil temperature sensor.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2011 | 10:06 AM
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I recommend buying one of these: Equus Innova 3145 OBD-I Ford Scan Tool

How old is your O2 sensor. More than 60K miles, replace.

66 = TOT sensor input below self test, or vane air flow circuit below minimum (E4OD)
Never seen that code before!
I think I am going to reset codes, drive it a good 20 miles. Then I'll try reading codes once more. I was advised by my brother that he had disconnected battery last night after I read the codes!

As for the O2 sensor, no clue many miles since last O2 sensor. So I will look into replacing that.
 
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Originally Posted by Brian_W
I think I am going to reset codes, drive it a good 20 miles. Then I'll try reading codes once more. I was advised by my brother that he had disconnected battery last night after I read the codes!

As for the O2 sensor, no clue many miles since last O2 sensor. So I will look into replacing that.
Good idea & brother!

This should pretty much clear your continuous memory codes & leave you w/ your actual "active" codes. & KOEO's should be dealt w/ before moving to KOER's in order for them (koer) to be considered reliable.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2011 | 12:03 PM
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Ok... Here's all the digits I got, should I be getting 3 digit codes and 2 digit codes? Here's what I found.

3 3 4 3 3 4 - 1 - 3 3 4 4 5 2 3 3 4 4 5 2

So I am guessing 334 / 334 / 1 / 33 / 44 / 52 / 33 / 44 / 52 ????
 
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