Does this shock anyone?
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Does this shock anyone?
I was looking over horsepower numbers and found this
My 1984 Ford F250 with 460 was putting out 225 hp (168 kW) 380 lb·ft (515 N·m) stock.
The Dodge Ram v10 that my uncle is always talking about being the cats *** got
300 hp (220 kW) <sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-27" class="reference">[1]</sup> 450 lb·ft (610 N·m)[
5.9 v8 got
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</td> <td>230 hp (170 kW)<sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-23" class="reference">[1]</sup></td> <td>325 lb·ft (441 N·m)<sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-24" class="reference">[1]
</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>5.2 L (318 cu in) Magnum V8</td> <td>220 hp (160 kW)<sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-19" class="reference">[1]</sup></td> <td>295 lb·ft (400 N·m)<sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-20" class="reference">[1]</sup></td></tr></tbody></table>
I was really shocked that some of these engines don't put out much better performance, and some are only marginally better. The v10 is pretty good for power but its really not the bad *** thing my uncle likes to say it is hahaha.
My 1984 Ford F250 with 460 was putting out 225 hp (168 kW) 380 lb·ft (515 N·m) stock.
The Dodge Ram v10 that my uncle is always talking about being the cats *** got
300 hp (220 kW) <sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-27" class="reference">[1]</sup> 450 lb·ft (610 N·m)[
5.9 v8 got
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>
</td> <td>230 hp (170 kW)<sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-23" class="reference">[1]</sup></td> <td>325 lb·ft (441 N·m)<sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-24" class="reference">[1]
</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>5.2 L (318 cu in) Magnum V8</td> <td>220 hp (160 kW)<sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-19" class="reference">[1]</sup></td> <td>295 lb·ft (400 N·m)<sup id="cite_ref-ED-DRG_0-20" class="reference">[1]</sup></td></tr></tbody></table>
I was really shocked that some of these engines don't put out much better performance, and some are only marginally better. The v10 is pretty good for power but its really not the bad *** thing my uncle likes to say it is hahaha.
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The extra power of the V10 will let you pull through a gear longer, which means it will get up to speed faster as you can maintain the gear advantage of lower gears for a longer period of time.
However, with a few small improvements, the 460 can be a real towing beast that would blow away just about any non-diesel modern engine. (Of course, we're comparing apples and oranges here... stock vs tuned)
However, with a few small improvements, the 460 can be a real towing beast that would blow away just about any non-diesel modern engine. (Of course, we're comparing apples and oranges here... stock vs tuned)
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Yeah he has an automatic in his 98 Dodge. Don't get me wrong its a nice truck and engine forsure sounds real beasty. But its not this 600 fp trq tire melter like I was lead to believe lol. I think I may throw a 5spd or 6spd in my Ford it would help tremendously I'm thinking.
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Exactly. I find even with all the money and work and custom stuff I put into my Ford. Damn near 100% of everything is going to be brand new. Where as even a new to me used pickup is going to cost the same and not even have 100% new parts. I'd rather have an old pickup with 100% new parts for the same money. Plus I appreciate it more. I'm thinking with 4.10 gears I can smoke quite a few people in the races haha.
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i too had heard that dodge v10's were probably stronger. considering all the dodge v10 versions are in the 8 litre range it surprised me a little especially since all car manufactures play the "one up manship" game
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Yeah I was shocked given how "impressive" the v10s are. For having 2 extra cylinders and being .5 liter bigger the numbers are not what I would expect. Don't get me wrong v10s are dang nice but parts are relatively hard to get, and they don't put out the numbers I would guess they would. Nothing at all wrong with a tryed and true 460 V8!
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Well, let's crunch some numbers. I don't know much about the Dodge v10, but I have read that the truck version is 8.0L - 488 CI
HP
460: 225 HP => 0.489 HP per cubic inch
488: 300 HP => 0.615 HP per cubic inch
Torque
460: 380 Lb-ft => 0.826 Lb-ft per cubic inch
488: 450 Lb-ft => 0.922 Lb-ft per cubic inch
I'm no Dodge fan, but I'm impressed by the V10. I would be willing to bet that, on top of the extra 75 HP, your uncle's V10 probably gets better gas mileage than your 460 too.
It's not the 600 HP beast they put in the Viper (not sure if the 600 HP is stock, or modified), but 300 HP is impressive in anything.
HP
460: 225 HP => 0.489 HP per cubic inch
488: 300 HP => 0.615 HP per cubic inch
Torque
460: 380 Lb-ft => 0.826 Lb-ft per cubic inch
488: 450 Lb-ft => 0.922 Lb-ft per cubic inch
I'm no Dodge fan, but I'm impressed by the V10. I would be willing to bet that, on top of the extra 75 HP, your uncle's V10 probably gets better gas mileage than your 460 too.
It's not the 600 HP beast they put in the Viper (not sure if the 600 HP is stock, or modified), but 300 HP is impressive in anything.
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Again, like in other times past, people are quoting horespower and torque numbers with no rpm numbers with them. That's what it's all about with a truck motor; torque down in the low rpms.
A indy car has around a 3.5 liter engine, and makes 650 horsepower and 319ft lbs of torque. Sounds impressive doesn't it? But it makes these numbers at 10,700 rpm. Would that make a good truck engine?
A indy car has around a 3.5 liter engine, and makes 650 horsepower and 319ft lbs of torque. Sounds impressive doesn't it? But it makes these numbers at 10,700 rpm. Would that make a good truck engine?
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Again, like in other times past, people are quoting horespower and torque numbers with no rpm numbers with them. That's what it's all about with a truck motor; torque down in the low rpms.
A indy car has around a 3.5 liter engine, and makes 650 horsepower and 319ft lbs of torque. Sounds impressive doesn't it? But it makes these numbers at 10,700 rpm. Would that make a good truck engine?
A indy car has around a 3.5 liter engine, and makes 650 horsepower and 319ft lbs of torque. Sounds impressive doesn't it? But it makes these numbers at 10,700 rpm. Would that make a good truck engine?
One engine could make 375 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm and the second 450 lb-ft @ 3500, but the second motor has nearly as much or more torque down low in the powerband.
A strong example is the engine in my 09 Corvette, it makes peak torque (470lb-ft) somewhere in the high 4k range, but has nearly as much torque at 2000 rpm as my F-250. So you have a motor that doesn't "get into its powerband" until nearly 5000 rpm, but will pull as hard or harder than most truck engines down low.
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Well, let's crunch some numbers. I don't know much about the Dodge v10, but I have read that the truck version is 8.0L - 488 CI
HP
460: 225 HP => 0.489 HP per cubic inch
488: 300 HP => 0.615 HP per cubic inch
Torque
460: 380 Lb-ft => 0.826 Lb-ft per cubic inch
488: 450 Lb-ft => 0.922 Lb-ft per cubic inch
I'm no Dodge fan, but I'm impressed by the V10. I would be willing to bet that, on top of the extra 75 HP, your uncle's V10 probably gets better gas mileage than your 460 too.
It's not the 600 HP beast they put in the Viper (not sure if the 600 HP is stock, or modified), but 300 HP is impressive in anything.
HP
460: 225 HP => 0.489 HP per cubic inch
488: 300 HP => 0.615 HP per cubic inch
Torque
460: 380 Lb-ft => 0.826 Lb-ft per cubic inch
488: 450 Lb-ft => 0.922 Lb-ft per cubic inch
I'm no Dodge fan, but I'm impressed by the V10. I would be willing to bet that, on top of the extra 75 HP, your uncle's V10 probably gets better gas mileage than your 460 too.
It's not the 600 HP beast they put in the Viper (not sure if the 600 HP is stock, or modified), but 300 HP is impressive in anything.
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Likewise, a circle track cam won't do well with tiny combustion chambers and a long runner intake.
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I am sure given free reign the Dodge, Ford & GM engineers would have the engines putting out more impressive #'s but they have to design a motor that will give long life, reasonable economy, low maintenance and acceptable performance to the masses. It's all about balance. I have had my share of 460 and FE powered trucks but I can remember when I bought a new F350 in 1996 thinking how awesome the "injected" 460 is going to be. After I picked it up and started driving home I was pissed. I turned around and went back to the dealer and said "I ordered a 460 not a 351!" I was expecting stellar performance. It towed everything I hooked up to it and lasted longer than three E40d's did but yeah it was less than impressive.
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A indy car has around a 3.5 liter engine, and makes 650 horsepower and 319ft lbs of torque. Sounds impressive doesn't it? But it makes these numbers at 10,700 rpm. Would that make a good truck engine?[/quote]
good point franklin. maybe someone should make an indy truck!
good point franklin. maybe someone should make an indy truck!