Bad Injector O Rings cause blow by and oil consumption?
#16
If your compression is good this just may be what's happening. When you put your foot into it there's easily 2400+ PSI of oil pressure against the top and middle o-ring. Lots of oil can pass by a bad top or middle o-ring and it could lower your peak HPO pressure depending on the size of the leak or number of bad o-rings.
I've actually wanted something like this for TEN YEARS now... Nice to finally have it so close. Just need a multi position rotary switch to change between my water, ZF6, and rear diff sending units... Gonna get rid of one of the temp gauges to make room for the new kid on the block.
But I do get a little gray cloud from the exhaust under heavy acceleration that has started about the same time as the consumption problem.
unclelee -
Here's some stuff I wrote about changing injectors: Replacing Injectors On 1999-2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesels .: Articles
My comments are the ones from another user. To me every effort should be made to avoid getting oil and fuel into the cyl in the first place. Then the cleanup effort is less and the the chance of hydrolocking is less.
#17
Andy,
At first you will enjoy watching that HPOP gauge. I had my HPOP gauge in the pillar pod but it's constant movement became distracting, especially at night with a lighted gauge needle, and I moved it to a pod under the cubby.
Unclelee,
As for fluid in the cylinders remove #7 and #8 first and let the oil and fuel galleys drain into just those 2 cylinders before removing the rest. The way the engine sits with the back lower then the front almost all the oil and fuel will drain to the rear. I got that tip from Dan's (Kwikkordead) procedure. When I hand cranked the engine with paper towels over the GP holes only 7 & 8 expelled fuid, all the others were essentially dry, barely a spot on the paper towel.
At first you will enjoy watching that HPOP gauge. I had my HPOP gauge in the pillar pod but it's constant movement became distracting, especially at night with a lighted gauge needle, and I moved it to a pod under the cubby.
Unclelee,
As for fluid in the cylinders remove #7 and #8 first and let the oil and fuel galleys drain into just those 2 cylinders before removing the rest. The way the engine sits with the back lower then the front almost all the oil and fuel will drain to the rear. I got that tip from Dan's (Kwikkordead) procedure. When I hand cranked the engine with paper towels over the GP holes only 7 & 8 expelled fuid, all the others were essentially dry, barely a spot on the paper towel.
#18
#19
This is what the full report says.
Z16D PERFORMANCE DIAGNOSTICS DIESEL ENGINE
448 CPF1 1.90
154354 1.90
PERF KOEO ON DEMAND PASS
KOEO CONT PASS
KOEO INJECTOR TEST PASSED
BUZZ VERY WEAK
PID MONITOR ICP V AND ICP PRESSOR IPR COMMAND ICP PRESSURE 1200PSI AND IPR 30%
RPM CHECK OK
INSPECTED TURBO FINS SOME DAMAGE BUT NO SIGNS OF DUST INGESTED.
Z16D PERFORMANCE DIAGNOSTICS DIESEL ENGINE
448 CPF1 1.90
154354 1.90
PERF KOEO ON DEMAND PASS
KOEO CONT PASS
KOEO INJECTOR TEST PASSED
BUZZ VERY WEAK
PID MONITOR ICP V AND ICP PRESSOR IPR COMMAND ICP PRESSURE 1200PSI AND IPR 30%
RPM CHECK OK
INSPECTED TURBO FINS SOME DAMAGE BUT NO SIGNS OF DUST INGESTED.
#21
For me the last time I measured it I got 1400. Just guessing it's worse now since it's been several years. I agree I *should* get 2800 and 35% but with an early 99 and a Tuner I don't think that's realistic even with a good OEM 15* pump. I'll data log some before and afters on doing the orings and see if we get a difference.
#22
#24
Dealer said they don't know what is "normal" on the 1200psi reading. Acted stupid when I asked them to explain the data. Said truck was cold on startup, ran bad, so don't worry about the data.
What kind of idiots charge you $110 to scan your truck and tells you disregard the data because they did not allow enough time for warm up?
What kind of idiots charge you $110 to scan your truck and tells you disregard the data because they did not allow enough time for warm up?
#25
The buzz test is mainly an electrical test of the injector solenoids via the IDM. Has no bearing on oil consumption.
#27
Blowby & Oil consumption
I've tried it all except new injectors & replacing the rings. Disconected the CCV hose from the filter intake, & ran the hose down the frame to behind the cab. Replaced the Injector outer o-rings, & turbo. New o-rings helped the smoking problem, but the turbo was a waste of money. Oil consumption got worse after I changed oil to 0W40 Synthetic. Tried a more expensive brand but still uses 2 L in 100 km & 10 mpg in my 2002 F550 with 126,000km. Disconnected the wire from the EBPV solenoid, to reduce sooting. Did a compression test. Lowest was 200 psi & highest was 320. There is some oil drops coming out the CCV hose, but with the boost pressure I can't see the pistons sucking oil into the cylinders. So I'm thinking there are some injectors leaking oil internally, causing the oil consumption. Not worth changing the injectors until I get the rings unstuck. What caused the rings to stick? Soot caused by the EBPV, or the increased chamfer on the piston rings 99-2003? We've got a 97 that runs like a top but this 2002 should have stayed on the drawing board. Comment about engine oil getting back to the fuel filter. I can't see it happening. The fuel filter bypasses excess fuel back the tank, but once the fuel gets to the fuel rails in the heads it can only go to the injectors & cylinders. There's no return from the heads.
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I've tried it all except new injectors & replacing the rings. Disconected the CCV hose from the filter intake, & ran the hose down the frame to behind the cab. Replaced the Injector outer o-rings, & turbo. New o-rings helped the smoking problem, but the turbo was a waste of money. Oil consumption got worse after I changed oil to 0W40 Synthetic. Tried a more expensive brand but still uses 2 L in 100 km & 10 mpg in my 2002 F550 with 126,000km. Disconnected the wire from the EBPV solenoid, to reduce sooting. Did a compression test. Lowest was 200 psi & highest was 320. There is some oil drops coming out the CCV hose, but with the boost pressure I can't see the pistons sucking oil into the cylinders. So I'm thinking there are some injectors leaking oil internally, causing the oil consumption. Not worth changing the injectors until I get the rings unstuck. What caused the rings to stick? Soot caused by the EBPV, or the increased chamfer on the piston rings 99-2003? We've got a 97 that runs like a top but this 2002 should have stayed on the drawing board. Comment about engine oil getting back to the fuel filter. I can't see it happening. The fuel filter bypasses excess fuel back the tank, but once the fuel gets to the fuel rails in the heads it can only go to the injectors & cylinders. There's no return from the heads.