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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 11:28 PM
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Small block projection on 460?

I found a deal on a used projection setup like $300 bucks including everything, it works too.

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Anyway, its for a small block chev putting out 670 cfm. What is stopping me from utilizing it on my Ford 460 with a carb?
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 01:09 AM
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I found a deal on a used projection setup like $300 bucks including everything, it works too.

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Anyway, its for a small block chev putting out 670 cfm. What is stopping me from utilizing it on my Ford 460 with a carb?
Should be fine, as long as you upgrade the fuel system for the PSI required and don't run significantly more than stock HP.

With a cam and headers, the 460 could easily overwhelm the capabilities of that setup.

Also, you may need to upgrade your alternator output.
 
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Interesting. If I didn't just buy a brand new carb I may look at this option. Any ideas on if I will notice an increase in anything, conversely a decrease?

My understanding is maybe some mpgs like 2 or 3, better driveability, cons are more expensive, more tuning and harder to dial in than a carb.
 
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Interesting. If I didn't just buy a brand new carb I may look at this option. Any ideas on if I will notice an increase in anything, conversely a decrease?

My understanding is maybe some mpgs like 2 or 3, better driveability, cons are more expensive, more tuning and harder to dial in than a carb.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by glovemeister
Interesting. If I didn't just buy a brand new carb I may look at this option. Any ideas on if I will notice an increase in anything, conversely a decrease?

My understanding is maybe some mpgs like 2 or 3, better driveability, cons are more expensive, more tuning and harder to dial in than a carb.
I think EFI is easier to dial in than a carb, but the expense is the biggest drawback.

I don't think you'll really see a decrease anywhere, especially in a stock application.

I'd expect better HP/TQ, 1-2 mpg (especially with a non OD transmission), and much easier starts, smoother idle, better compensation for altitude.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 03:42 AM
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The computer should tune itself with the projection system thats one of the perks of having it.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 11:53 AM
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The computer should tune itself with the projection system thats one of the perks of having it.
This may the system where you tune it small screwdriver adjustments on the side of the brain box. I think they did have a oxygen sensor option on some of them though.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 12:51 PM
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That could be Franklin I guess I just took it as a given that it would have an O2 because all of the projection systems I have ever seen have had the O2 but I guess those might be a newer style.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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It does vary they have a closed circuit system and an open circuit system. IIRC only one had the o2 sensor.
 
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Either way Holley has a very nice support staff and manual that help with the tuning. I wouldnt mind finding one for my truck.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 10:18 PM
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I notice that its a 2 barrel setup so for an additional expense may be finding a 2barrel manifold that will bolt up right? Since its for a 2bbl chev that may really complicate things I think. I am curious as to if the fuel pumps I run stock can power this? Also if I get it and it doesn't work I'd assume that holley has lots of parts for a reasonable price?
 
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Old Feb 27, 2011 | 01:36 AM
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I notice that its a 2 barrel setup so for an additional expense may be finding a 2barrel manifold that will bolt up right? Since its for a 2bbl chev that may really complicate things I think. I am curious as to if the fuel pumps I run stock can power this? Also if I get it and it doesn't work I'd assume that holley has lots of parts for a reasonable price?

They do sell flanges that let you install a 2 barrel carb on a 4 barrel manifold.

Look up Mr. Gasket 1933 as an example.
 
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Yeah I just called the guy he doesn't have it. So I've been looking at the holley commander 950 kits. Summit only has a 650 cfm or 900 and don't know what to get. I'd rather not over cfm it even if I do mod the motor. It would kill any expected gains in mpgs and may even reduce them.
 
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I would say the 900. I believe 460's came stock with 750 or 800 cfm carbs, maybe bigger, I can't remember. But either way, I think 650 cfm would be awful lean on a 460. I'm glad I got factory efi so I don't have to guess and then mess with tuning it, although the projection would probably run a little better...
 
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460's did not come with a large carb. I am not sure what size it was, but I am pretty sure it's not over 650cfm. You have to remember these are trucks, not fire-breathing race engines. A low rpm truck engine does not need a large carb to do it's intended job.
 
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