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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 06:51 PM
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I would like to point out that "premium" fuel is ALWAYS either #1 or #2, depending on climate.

It's like comparing "premium" gas to "unleaded". Premium is STILL unleaded, but not all unleaded is "premium".



It's not?



I'm pretty confident that the only separation between "premium" and "regular" is the additive package. This can be a meaningful difference though, as that additive package will increase cetane as well as lubricity.

These claims are remarkably similar to the claims made by reputable additive companies. When I'm at a station that sells premium diesel and regular diesel, I ALWAYS pick the regular stuff and treat it myself. I don't know exactly what additives they use, but I know what I use and am confident of it's effectiveness.

I seem to get better fuel economy on the regular diesel treated with Power Service than I do the "premium" stuff. I have also run the regular treated stuff in temps as low as -25 degrees with no gelling or performance issues.
and treating our own fuel is the only option most of us have that can't acces "premium fuel" the fuel station I was referrencing was a BP and some additives are what I figured the difference was.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 08:04 PM
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and treating our own fuel is the only option most of us have that can't acces "premium fuel" the fuel station I was referrencing was a BP and some additives are what I figured the difference was.
Yeah, I'm a firm advocate of fuel additive!

Interestingly enough, I bought the "premium" diesel tonight. I was out of Power Service and wasn't willing to pay truckstop prices for it. So instead I bought GOLD DIESEL for 4 cents more per gallon tonight.

The 28 miles home, all highway, on a warmed up engine, I averaged 23 MPGs.

This seems consistent with what I normally get with regular treated diesel.

On a side note, there is a definite correlation between engine temperature and fuel economy. This aforementioned run was on a completely warmed up engine after running 17 miles on the freeway. When she's cold she gets thirsty. It takes a good 15 miles to warm it up, and during that time I get between 6-17, 6 being when the oil temp is around 25°, and 17 when it's around 150°. Running fully warmed up at 205° EOT I routinely see 20+.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 08:35 PM
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I love my 6.4 but the new engine is sweet too. Lose the dpf on the 6.4 and gain about 2mpg.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy001
I would like to point out that "premium" fuel is ALWAYS either #1 or #2, depending on climate.

It's like comparing "premium" gas to "unleaded". Premium is STILL unleaded, but not all unleaded is "premium".



It's not?



I'm pretty confident that the only separation between "premium" and "regular" is the additive package. This can be a meaningful difference though, as that additive package will increase cetane as well as lubricity.

These claims are remarkably similar to the claims made by reputable additive companies. When I'm at a station that sells premium diesel and regular diesel, I ALWAYS pick the regular stuff and treat it myself. I don't know exactly what additives they use, but I know what I use and am confident of it's effectiveness.

I seem to get better fuel economy on the regular diesel treated with Power Service than I do the "premium" stuff. I have also run the regular treated stuff in temps as low as -25 degrees with no gelling or performance issues.
True premium is a D grade fuel that cracks off higher on the refinery chain. It is a #2 better fuel. Premium fuel can not be a #1 to the best of my knowledge. Yes it does have additives as well.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy001
Yeah, I'm a firm advocate of fuel additive!

Interestingly enough, I bought the "premium" diesel tonight. I was out of Power Service and wasn't willing to pay truckstop prices for it. So instead I bought GOLD DIESEL for 4 cents more per gallon tonight.
At shell where i fuel up the 'Vpower/premium' diesel is 3cents more per LITRE!!
I get the regular and add my own additive and its -20/-30/-40 for 6 months of the year here and have no problems.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry NCKS
True premium is a D grade fuel that cracks off higher on the refinery chain. It is a #2 better fuel. Premium fuel can not be a #1 to the best of my knowledge. Yes it does have additives as well.
Can you post a source for this? I've never come across such a product, but that doesn't mean its not out there.

Thanks!
 
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy001
Yeah, I'm a firm advocate of fuel additive!

Interestingly enough, I bought the "premium" diesel tonight. I was out of Power Service and wasn't willing to pay truckstop prices for it. So instead I bought GOLD DIESEL for 4 cents more per gallon tonight.

The 28 miles home, all highway, on a warmed up engine, I averaged 23 MPGs.

This seems consistent with what I normally get with regular treated diesel.

On a side note, there is a definite correlation between engine temperature and fuel economy. This aforementioned run was on a completely warmed up engine after running 17 miles on the freeway. When she's cold she gets thirsty. It takes a good 15 miles to warm it up, and during that time I get between 6-17, 6 being when the oil temp is around 25°, and 17 when it's around 150°. Running fully warmed up at 205° EOT I routinely see 20+.
those are some crazy good mpg's! I just put a spartan in mine and went from 11.5 to 15 mpg and I thought that was good.....I guess a few years from now when it's time for me to upgrade, I'll really be spoiled!
 
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