Vegetable/Alternative Fuel?
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From: dirty jerzy
i have burned 3000 gallons of veg oil,@3.50 ==$10,500 thats $10,500 still in my pocket!!!! that i can spend , i did go through the ip. but it had 180k mi.& set of injectors
BIG deal what were they $ 450, ya got me,
i just bought the ''new to me truck'' in my avitar with some of that money!!
and i bought a new two ip & two sets of injectors from u-haul
and there's nothing wrong with the one thats on this truck
but i plan on ****en these up!!!
getting the purging down takes trial & error
and the only time i have problems is outside temp related 35* AND LOWER
getting small amounts of veg in the diesel is a GOOD thing it adds lubrisity to the **** low sulpher crap you are getting from the pump
pluss it will clean the crap out of you diesel tank, but you will be going through a bunch of those $30 filters that sucked till i did away running the two fuel through one filter , now each fuel has its own filtering system
i gotta stop now my one finger typing hurts now
any body got a teenager i can borrow to take pictures to post them !!!!!!!!
BIG deal what were they $ 450, ya got me,
i just bought the ''new to me truck'' in my avitar with some of that money!!
and i bought a new two ip & two sets of injectors from u-haul
and there's nothing wrong with the one thats on this truck
but i plan on ****en these up!!!
getting the purging down takes trial & error
and the only time i have problems is outside temp related 35* AND LOWER
getting small amounts of veg in the diesel is a GOOD thing it adds lubrisity to the **** low sulpher crap you are getting from the pump
pluss it will clean the crap out of you diesel tank, but you will be going through a bunch of those $30 filters that sucked till i did away running the two fuel through one filter , now each fuel has its own filtering system
i gotta stop now my one finger typing hurts now
any body got a teenager i can borrow to take pictures to post them !!!!!!!!
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I have been running 80%wvo/20%gas in one tank, and straight diesel in the other. Startup/warmup and a few minutes before shutdown use the diesel tank.
It has worked fine thus far in our cold but it only got to sub 20 a few times. I could start it up in these temps if I wanted but I think it is probably not as thin as diesel.
I made jars and left them outside so I could see. The mix stayed, no settling after a week exposed to the elements.
We don't daily drive the truck its for offroad dirtbikes, etc. I think the oil mix is best used when doing those up to temp longer runs.
Can't notice much of a performance difference, not sure about the pipe smoke, I do know it stinks
Also I have to wonder if allot of bad experiences could be avoided with good oil. I have oil that is centrifuged and it looks clean. I left that oil in jugs exposed to the elements as well before cutting it and it didn't have seperation. It probably is thicker at colder temps but not like motor oil.
I think the gas mix could also be lowered to 10% during our summer where a typical day gets up to 100
It has worked fine thus far in our cold but it only got to sub 20 a few times. I could start it up in these temps if I wanted but I think it is probably not as thin as diesel.
I made jars and left them outside so I could see. The mix stayed, no settling after a week exposed to the elements.
We don't daily drive the truck its for offroad dirtbikes, etc. I think the oil mix is best used when doing those up to temp longer runs.
Can't notice much of a performance difference, not sure about the pipe smoke, I do know it stinks
Also I have to wonder if allot of bad experiences could be avoided with good oil. I have oil that is centrifuged and it looks clean. I left that oil in jugs exposed to the elements as well before cutting it and it didn't have seperation. It probably is thicker at colder temps but not like motor oil.
I think the gas mix could also be lowered to 10% during our summer where a typical day gets up to 100
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From: Elkhorn, Wiscompton
HERE IS A QUOTE FROM DAVE S. FROM A FEW YEARS BACK (not sure if the regulations are still the same but would assume they are i have not heard of any changes)
Diesel and veggie oil do not mix, so the blend is not the right way to go.
Most common is a veggie tank that is heated to run on after warm, regular diesel tank to use to start and stop on. That way the fuel system is purged of veggie before you turn the engine off. The glycerins in veggie oil cause engine damage if the oil is not up to something like 150 degrees before you run it through the engine.
Diesel and veggie oil do not mix, so the blend is not the right way to go.
Most common is a veggie tank that is heated to run on after warm, regular diesel tank to use to start and stop on. That way the fuel system is purged of veggie before you turn the engine off. The glycerins in veggie oil cause engine damage if the oil is not up to something like 150 degrees before you run it through the engine.
I see a lot of people wanting to turn into it, but when they don't look into it, and think it's ok just to dump it in with no modifications, they clog up their system, and blame it on the oil.
don't blame the oil for your own incompetence.
a neighbor of mine made a crude filtering set-up, a tank to go in his bed and a heater run through it. he admiited he was useing oil from a chinese place - they fry sweet stuff, a lot of it - and it screwed up his injectors in his '95 250. I'm wondering if oil from a veggie fryer maybe better?
I have looked at this part, bit its hard to find stories of guys running it through their IDIs. It seems like everyone is running it through the powerstrokes, 7.3 and 6.0. Does anyone know first hand what its like on an IDI and if major mods or amounts of money has to be stuck into the motor to make it run realiably on this stuff?
The mechanical aspect of the motor make it more forgiving, pay attention, and run a diesel blend every so often and you'll be fine.
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From: Chico, CA
I've got 50K miles on my 87 f250 6.9 turbo , including a 23,000 mile loop of the US and Canada, collecting and centrifuging used oil enroute.
www.veggievoyagers.blogspot.com. my wife's blog archives July2007-May2008
My truck now has 210k and no apparent problems, but you do need good heating elements to do it right and not switch over too early. mandatory fuel temp and pressure gauges to know how hot your oil is and if your filters are getting constricted.
www.biodiesel.infopop.cc for more info.
expect to spend $1500 plus to get the right components: Hot fox heated fuel pickup tube, heated filter, flat plate heat exchanger, vegtherm electric inline heater, and solenoid switching valves.
www.plantdrive.com is a good source
It is a lot of work and most importantly you need a good source of oil.
Its been worth it for me.
Mike
www.veggievoyagers.blogspot.com. my wife's blog archives July2007-May2008
My truck now has 210k and no apparent problems, but you do need good heating elements to do it right and not switch over too early. mandatory fuel temp and pressure gauges to know how hot your oil is and if your filters are getting constricted.
www.biodiesel.infopop.cc for more info.
expect to spend $1500 plus to get the right components: Hot fox heated fuel pickup tube, heated filter, flat plate heat exchanger, vegtherm electric inline heater, and solenoid switching valves.
www.plantdrive.com is a good source
It is a lot of work and most importantly you need a good source of oil.
Its been worth it for me.
Mike
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From: Latrobe, PA
I've been running a 50/50 blended mix of WVO and Reg. Diesel for over 2 years now i run 30/70 in the winter and have had no issue's what so ever, i just use the mixing tank part of my bio-diesel processor to blend the 2 for about 10 minutes, then run it through filtration into the truck, it actually gave me about 200-300 deg cooler running EGT's and about 1-2 MPG more.
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Hi,my son was thinking about using bio-diesel in our 95psd,we have Bio plant in WA. and
was wondering how if we bought a large amount and stored it in a big oil tank if it will be
usable if left outside in the winter. Will it separate and/or jell. is there safe percentage that
you can use with no problems,thank's
was wondering how if we bought a large amount and stored it in a big oil tank if it will be
usable if left outside in the winter. Will it separate and/or jell. is there safe percentage that
you can use with no problems,thank's
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From: Salisbury, PA
From what I have read it is said that you should use biodiesel within 2 months of production. Its shelf life is not as long a normal diesel. Take some bio and stick it in your freezer and see what happens. Turns into a solid hunk of lard. You have to blend it with regular diesel when it gets cold.
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