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Old Feb 9, 2011 | 11:55 AM
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hi i have a 91 e 350 that just started missing and smoking black smoke real bad .does anyone know how i can check if i have an injector out and which one it might be,thanks
 
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Old Feb 9, 2011 | 12:30 PM
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well bro, black smoke is too much fuel or not enough air, have you checked the intake for obstructions. For the miss, if you loosen the injector lines one by one while it is idling, you should hear the miss or problem go away when the nut is loosened. Not the injector itself but the injector line nut on top of the injector. Hope that helps.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2011 | 09:10 PM
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Caution: the fuel is under 1600psi of pressure so cover the line/nut to be loosened with a cloth and wear eye protection......Please.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2011 | 09:59 PM
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ive never seen it blast out of there as long as it is just loosened. if you take it all the way off, it will probably but never have i had it spray everywhere. have you plc?
 
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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This is kinda like a pressure washer.

3500 PSI pressure washer sounds like a lot.
But take that spray nozzle off so it is coming out of a 1/4" hole and it looks like water from a low pressure garden hose.

That said, when you loosen the injector line nuts, you should still use caution.
There is no guarantee that you will have a low pressure 3/16" stream of fuel around the nut.
Much better to error on the side of caution than a trip to the ER with fuel injected into you eye.

One of the fuel injection readings I watch on my Stroke is the mass fuel desired per stroke.
At idle the injectors are putting about 9 cc of fuel in each cylinder.
So that is probably close to what an IDI pump will be putting out on each injector line every time it injects fuel.
9 cc is only a couple good sized drops of fuel, not a stream by any method you use to look at it.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 06:18 PM
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Dave, are you sure?
It seems to me that when my kids were little, and I was measuring out medicine, that 5cc was a teaspoon...
 
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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It still be pretty important to use a rap around the injector you'll be loosening, since hes doing this in a van, the engine is mostly inside the cab.

I'm sure he doesn't want fuel all over the carpet or dash.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 07:27 PM
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9 cc = 0.01902038776979 pint

Sorry my converter does not do teaspoons.

Now you have me wondering if I have the metric units right.

A teaspoon per power stroke......600 RPM idle speed * 8 cylinders /2
2400 teaspoons per minute, that sounds high.

I have the units wrong, that works out to over 5 gallons a minute.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 08:06 PM
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Yeah, I come up with more than 5.6 gal/min...
Even if it's .9cc that's more than half a gallon per minute at idle.
Maybe .09cc?
 
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 09:09 AM
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thanks for all of the tips,im going to try them today.and now the damn thing is leaking fuel from somewhere it is running all over the engine,i think it is coming from the pump on top.it leaks more fuel than it uses.it looks like the thing is on fire going down the road.
 
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