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These new trucks have so much tech stuff under the hood that nothing is simple to work on I would think Ford with there better ideas would realize that its time (actully past due) for a tilt nose front end on these trucks, agree or disagree?
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totally agree. Wish they had it. Trouble is that I don't think it would pass the safey required by the feds for this class of truck. wish there was someone aftermarket would make an aftermarket front clip.
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Your probably right safety issues slow progress however the need is there and Ford needs to get their act together and engineer a better way, seeing these Ford techs lift an entire truck cab just to do a motor job is down right ridiculous ....
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they did in 2011.. no more cab off repairs..
remember, the 6.0 and 6.4 engines were not the ford design, so they had to make compromises to make it work..
you can bet ford did NOT want to have to pull a cab.. but they got snookered..
Sam
remember, the 6.0 and 6.4 engines were not the ford design, so they had to make compromises to make it work..
you can bet ford did NOT want to have to pull a cab.. but they got snookered..
Sam
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Its still a nightmare under the hood a tilt nose is needed, but nice to hear that pulling a cab is no longer necessary to pull a motor, ifn Ford can't figure a way to build a tilt nose maybe a inline six could help, I know that sounds ridiculous but what they are building is not user friendly , service friendly or common sense friendly. these new model trucks are never going to see the same service life as the previous models.....
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I wouldn't bet on these new trucks having a shorter service life. As a matter of fact, I'm betting just the opposite.
Ford essentially had a tilt hood on the 6.4s, well partially anyway.
I also wouldn't bet that Ford was forced to compromise for the International engine. I would bet they were pretty much designed together. If anything International likely had to redesign some things a bit for Ford.
Ford essentially had a tilt hood on the 6.4s, well partially anyway.
I also wouldn't bet that Ford was forced to compromise for the International engine. I would bet they were pretty much designed together. If anything International likely had to redesign some things a bit for Ford.
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i think its funny that ford made a big deal of it "ALL NEW FRONT STEP BUMPER" combined with the attached grille to make for easier access for maintenance, and the 2011 has neither.
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I wouldn't bet on these new trucks having a shorter service life. As a matter of fact, I'm betting just the opposite.
Larry NCKS, I hope your right but I think you'll be wrong , these trucks are too tech and not accessible for service work, most small business owners can not afford to just send there truck to the dealer for servicing they need to do most if not all the service work in house, the dealers just charge too much per hour, my local shop is at 120 per hour for an F-450 and up, all of Fords previous diesel could be serviced under a shade tree with a couple of six packs on the side, try that with a new tech motor....
Larry NCKS, I hope your right but I think you'll be wrong , these trucks are too tech and not accessible for service work, most small business owners can not afford to just send there truck to the dealer for servicing they need to do most if not all the service work in house, the dealers just charge too much per hour, my local shop is at 120 per hour for an F-450 and up, all of Fords previous diesel could be serviced under a shade tree with a couple of six packs on the side, try that with a new tech motor....
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Larry NCKS, I hope your right but I think you'll be wrong , these trucks are too tech and not accessible for service work, most small business owners can not afford to just send there truck to the dealer for servicing they need to do most if not all the service work in house, the dealers just charge too much per hour, my local shop is at 120 per hour for an F-450 and up, all of Fords previous diesel could be serviced under a shade tree with a couple of six packs on the side, try that with a new tech motor....
I'm betting that where there's a will and access to service information, there's a way. Afterall, I just diagnosed my EGR before it went in for warranty replacement.
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I wouldn't bet on these new trucks having a shorter service life. As a matter of fact, I'm betting just the opposite.
Larry NCKS, I hope your right but I think you'll be wrong , these trucks are too tech and not accessible for service work, most small business owners can not afford to just send there truck to the dealer for servicing they need to do most if not all the service work in house, the dealers just charge too much per hour, my local shop is at 120 per hour for an F-450 and up, all of Fords previous diesel could be serviced under a shade tree with a couple of six packs on the side, try that with a new tech motor....
Larry NCKS, I hope your right but I think you'll be wrong , these trucks are too tech and not accessible for service work, most small business owners can not afford to just send there truck to the dealer for servicing they need to do most if not all the service work in house, the dealers just charge too much per hour, my local shop is at 120 per hour for an F-450 and up, all of Fords previous diesel could be serviced under a shade tree with a couple of six packs on the side, try that with a new tech motor....
Paul will come along, but you can bet they have thought about these issues and are NOT trying to force people to the dealer. Serviceability was key on their 6.7 engine after all the fun on the 6.0 and 6.4s.
yes, there are some complex systems, and the guy that just wrenches will be less effective than before.. but such is the way of ALL the powertrain systems in all the vehicles..
Sam
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ok lets correct the whole 6.7 ease of repair.
to remove the cyclinder heads or the engine cab off is the method suggested to use in the workshop.
the lack of serviceability on the 6.4 is just myth. There in a lot of ways easer to deal with then a 6.0.
so far as us the techs not being able to handle the "complex" well thats just a mean statment that also lacks truth. Not to say there wont be a learning curve but it well be like any other engine to come. If it can be built it can be fixed.
to remove the cyclinder heads or the engine cab off is the method suggested to use in the workshop.
the lack of serviceability on the 6.4 is just myth. There in a lot of ways easer to deal with then a 6.0.
so far as us the techs not being able to handle the "complex" well thats just a mean statment that also lacks truth. Not to say there wont be a learning curve but it well be like any other engine to come. If it can be built it can be fixed.
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reality is pulling a cab on a 6.4 is a total waste of time. I have also not seen any proof that pulling one on a 6.0 is of any benefit. people claim its easer to work on the engine. there may be some truth to that, but I still have not found it to be faster.