Enabling the draft??
The armed services doesn't mean the Army....it can be any branch.
How many of you that have served would be willing to re-enlist to train the new recruits?????
Best I can remeber..the draft age is 18 to 25.It doesn't matter that you have a family. Maybe you can stay out of the draft because of a college deferment or have a father that has "pull"
BUT if the military starts to draft people i will go. im in good shape, love adventure and action and consider myself somewhat of a god with my colt AR15, the civillian version of a M16. id like a vacation right about now, someplace warm... i love hunting, and would love the challenge of my targets returning fire!
I hate the draft, I never want to see it return. Just pay those brave people who are willing and able to save the cowards, infirm, handicapped, elderly and rich a decent wage and leave the whiners stay home with their mommies.
If you are unable to muster the courage to fight for your country, you should at LEAST get the people that save your son, daughter or your own bacon a wage that doesn't qualify them for welfare with many of the phonies in this country.
USN-RET
I see that you are retired.......I done my time and decided that life wasn't for me...I do agree about the pay scale.military personnel, educators and the law enforment all need to have a raise in salary.........but......when goverment cut back happens.who ends up without a job or no increase.........this is by no means a "put down"..i'm only stating the facts as I understand them.My son in law retires from the Navy in mid April...He is not sure if he is ready to make that change....
Dono (former draftee).
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Just pay those brave people who are willing and able to save the cowards
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Ok I don't know how you meant this...... so I'll not get mad.
I never joined the armed forces because "I have a problem with authority figures".......NOT because I'm a coward
I could never stand to be talked down to or yelled at or told I WAS going to do something.......... "took some pretty good beatings for that too"............but If MY country needed me I'd go in a heart beat.............
NO I never joined up.......but I'm no coward !!!
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That is EXACTLY how I feel about it. I couldn't function in the rigid structure of the military. I too, have a real problem with authority figures and being given orders. It's not something I would choose to do, I think there are a lot of other ways that one can serve his country.
But just like 72 Mach 1, I'm no coward, and if I was truly needed I'd be there with bells on. I think with my knowledge and experience I'd make a pretty dang good soldier too.
As for the challenge of the oppponent returning fire, I would never wish this situation on anyone, and if you think you'd enjoy it, I suggest you watch the first 10 minutes of Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, or some historical documentaries on WWII and Vietnam, or better yet, talk to someone who's been there. Then see if you still feel the same way.
Waxy
Most likely I won't be drafted, for I am a college student . And even if I was drafted doubt that I would ever be put into harms way (I'm basicly blind without my glasses). But with all of that to the side I would still give my all for this country. If I had a choice, I would rather fight to the death to stop the evil in other countries than to be with my family and friends, watching it menacing people of other countries whom are less fortunate than us as "Americans".
i simply enjoy a challenge... especially of the "only the strong survive" mentality. dont take everything i post so seriously
now I know most on here aren't old enough to have been there
"hell I'm not" but I heard stories that really made me sad /mad !
the way some treated those boys that didn't want to be there anyway..........calling them baby killers and such.......basicly blaming them for what was out of there control.......
I'm not preaching...........well yeah I am......say what you mean !
not what people want to hear.................I'm proud of ALL are soldiers...........from the revolution......to now !!!
Last edited by 72mach_1; Mar 9, 2003 at 08:13 PM.
I very much have mixed emotions about leaving the service, it's been very good to me, and it's all I know in my adult life. But--there comes a time when a change in life is in the cards.
I've seen and lived in places around the world that many can only read about. It's been a very good experience. I wouldn't change a thing if I had it to do all over again.
I'd rather be layin' broads then dyin' in some foreign land and fightin' for a cause thats not mine.
I am not un American, I just feel that if I'm going to put my life at risk for anything, it had better be something I believe in.
Vietnam was the worst idea in this countries long history of bad ideas. LBJ cared nothing for the young Americans who died over there, and he was not alone-most politicians at the time were indifferent to the sufferings of the American fighting man.
People at home were against the war, the soldiers did'int want to be there, and there were more demonstrations protesting that war from all around the country than there were demonstrations for every other issue all put together. This did'int matter to LBJ.
Public opinion did not matter. The government did not feel it had to serve it's people. Poor moral amongst our troops did not matter. They wanted what they wanted, and that was that.
It's a fact that the best soldier there is is a soldier who believes in what he's fighting for. In WWII our men not only believed it, but they lived it. Thier cause was burned in them from Pearl Harbor.
I can't imagine that those who feel going to war would be exciting have much life experience or education.
I have had my share of fights, and bad things happened. I've been hurt a few times too. Winning ain't everything and If we were face to face I prolly would'int tell any of you these things because they do bother me. It's the guilt that gets you afterward. Then there are the legal consequence of your actions. But compared to being in a war with bullets flying and bombs dropping, killing people who are trying to kill you- my experiences are nothing.
I can understand how it is some of these poor men went crazy.
I have no problem with authority figures as long as I feel I can respect their authority.
Policemen have authority. Some like to cheat on their wives, they drink and drive, and they smoke dope-when you live the night life enough you get to realize who they are and what they do. These guys may have worn a badge and commanded the respect that goes with it-but behind the scenes they were real slobs. While they may have authority-good luck getting me to respect it!
Then there are the good ones who truly do play it straight-these are the guys you can take seriously. They have families, they go camping with their kids on weekends, and they invite friends over for a BBQ to watch the ball game. These guys lead by example.
The others have the mentality of -do as I say but not as I do.
The same is true of our politicians. I do not feel that they always have the best interest of our country or it's people at heart.
They pay lip service to us, and all the while they are doing just as they please with no regard as to whether we agree or not. How am I supposed to respect that? And if I don't -does that make me un American?
There was a time when this government respected the opinions of it's people. During WWII prior to US participation the general feeling in this country was not to take part in Europes war, nor to get involved in the wars in Asia. FDR had to respect that, even though he wanted us to join the war. Most Americans were polled and most men (who knew they'd be the ones going) opposed spilling their blood for others problems.
AFTER PEARL HARBOR however, the recruiting offices around the country could not handle the enormous amounts( of these same men) who were enlisting on a daily basis. They believed in the fight. They made much better soldiers than they would have if they'd been inducted into the military, and forced to fight for a cause that was not theirs and a cause they did not believe in.
That was the problem in Vietnam. Our politicians taking the liberties of sending billions of dollars to foreign countries when our kids schools have to hold bake sales to fund paper for the school year, is a problem we have now.
This is the problem I have with authority figures. They may have authority, but as long as they abuse it-I won't respect it.
Regards.




