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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 12:51 AM
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msd ignition upgrade

I think I know the answer to this question, but I'll ask anyway. Besides using the MSD coil, can you add a MSD ignition box to a 95' 5.8? Like the MSD 6?
 
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 04:58 AM
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It is possible, but I don't know how much of a difference it will make on a stock engine.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 04:59 AM
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Yes you can , i use the MSD 6AL on my 95 302.....Lew
 
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by lew52
Yes you can , i use the MSD 6AL on my 95 302.....Lew
Do you have the part #, or are all 6AL's the same. I was thinking this might be of benifit because I've read the posts about guys ugrading the wires, cap and rotor so they can run the MSD coil and open up the plug gap and then advance the timing. If that helps then I would think that a spark with a longer duration would do the same thing.

Did you have to do anything "fancy" to wire it in.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 09:08 AM
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I think there all the same , just follow the wiring diagram that comes with it , not hard , i use the 6AL because it has the soft touch rev limiter , plus you can use timing controlers with them to , and easy tach hook up ....i use the MSD cap , rotor , wires & the blaster coil ....I don't know if you need the box on a stock truck , but the other stuff will make sure you have a good spark , i like autolite copper plugs to .....
 
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 09:16 AM
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I've got a good set of ford racing 8mm wires, but the coil wire is stock(truck came that way), and I will run the msd cap rotor and coil; and it looks like the cheap motocraft spark plugs are the best.

Has anyone ever used the Pulstar spark plugs? They are exspensive but it looks like they have mini capacitors in them and really bump up the spark. I've never tried them and they aren't cheap, but they look interesting. Here is the link: The world's most powerful spark plug from Enerpulse

What do you think?
 
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 09:22 AM
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If there was anything to be gained by swapping spark plugs Ford would be using them from the factory.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 09:31 AM
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I would just stay with the motorcraft plugs , them and the ford racing wires will work fine ....Lew
 
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Old Jan 21, 2011 | 11:34 AM
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Yeah, they're too expensive for me! Just putting out some info. I still think if they do what they say, it would be a good thing. After all, does Ford install MSD ignitions stock? What about Twisted Wedge heads? They're not factory, are they no good? Just saying.

A lot of guys use quality aftermarket parts on their truck or cars that the factory didn't. It's not a knock on the factory, but they put out a product that has to fit everyone as best they can and still be profitable to make and sell, but when you get down to the end user, a lot of time they have individual needs or wants that the factory can't/won't provide. I personally don't buy the argument that if it's not put on by the factory, it's no good.

There is always room for inprovement from new technology in my opinion.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2011 | 02:38 PM
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I use an MSD 6A on my 302. It has provided some mpg and hp improvement.

It is a few bucks cheaper to buy a 6A model. It does everything the 6AL does without the rev limiter. Your truck's pcm already has a rev limiter built in.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2011 | 02:54 PM
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I use the AL because the rev limiter in the truck pcm is set to low for a modified motor , so i had it elimanated , with the AL you can set it where you need it ...Lew
 
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Old Jan 22, 2011 | 06:28 PM
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My truck's rev limiter is in the heads and cam! LOL, sorry couldn't resist that one. Thanks for the info though, I'm doing upgrades, a few at a time. I can't afford to do it all at once. I have a spare 95' 5.8L block that came out of the truck when I got it(bad valve). I'm aiming for a stroker 351W as time and money permit. Going to have to ditch the EFI for that one though. My truck is a SD EFI, so I'm sure it won't like a stroker like I want to build. If a mass air would be stroker friendly I might consider it, but I've always liked a good old 4barrel on top of an alumium high rise!
 
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Old Jan 23, 2011 | 03:46 PM
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After all, does Ford install MSD ignitions stock?
There is always room for improvement from new technology in my opinion.
I don't know about the modular motor trucks, or the exact years, but the 4.6 in my '04 Stang has a multi-strike ignition below like 3000 RPM. I assume the reason they did it was for reduced emissions more than anything. Profit drives the manufacturers, and if the technology is not required for a specific purpose or doesn't make them more profitable, they have no reason to use it. That's one of the reasons my '97 F250HD is still OBD-I and Speed Density.

I plan on installing an MSD type ignition on my truck this spring. The multi-strike provides a more complete burn during combustion, which should improve idle quality, fuel efficiency, throttle response and low RPM power. Jacobs ignitions make a very high quality system that has been proven to make a difference on stock vehicles. Summit now has their own private label MSD type box that is pretty reasonably priced. For the price, I plan on trying the Summit unit myself.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2011 | 04:02 PM
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04' isn't 95', but that pretty much proves the point I was making about the technology improving and we older truck junkies taking advantage of it and doing upgrades.

thanks for the info!
 
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Old Jan 24, 2011 | 11:45 PM
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I have had the MSD coil, cap/rotor etc, and do not consider it an upgrade. I have all Motorcraft ignition parts now and it runs just as good if not better.

I have also seen the MSD etc coils fail more often than stock ones.

Adding the box to a stock or almost stock engine will not gain you anything either. I prefer to stay away from those things anyway.

I second the comment about using stock Motorcraft plugs, I dont think there is a better plug to use.

I will also say that the Ford Racing wires do not fit well at all. They are 10 miles too long and are bulky so they don't allow a clean install. They also do not come with the provision for the coil wire retaining clip. The same is true of the MSD coil.

If you want a better coil, I would go with the Mallory one from Summit. The specs are not much different, so I don't think you will see any gain from a coil.
 
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