Notices
6.0L Power Stroke Diesel 2003 - 2007 F250, F350 pickup and F350+ Cab Chassis, 2003 - 2005 Excursion and 2003 - 2009 van

WTF Hard start

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 04:03 PM
  #1  
jstarr's Avatar
jstarr
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
WTF Hard start

it has been unusually cold here. i work nights and i cant plug my truck in at night. my truck sits all night and when i go out to start it it take me about 15 mins to get it to start up!! any tips? do i turn the key and leave it turned for a few mins and then try and start it? or do i keep on try to crank it till it kicks over?.. i know this is killing my starter.PLEASE HELP
 
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 04:05 PM
  #2  
gearloose1's Avatar
gearloose1
Post Fiend
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,127
Likes: 6
Mileage, Maintenance, Mods?
 
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 04:10 PM
  #3  
BPofMD's Avatar
BPofMD
FTE Legend
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 65,938
Likes: 1,432
From: Millersville, MD
Club FTE Silver Member

What oil are you using? Go to 5W-40. How COLD is it?
 
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 04:14 PM
  #4  
vfelix702's Avatar
vfelix702
Laughing Gas
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,155
Likes: 0
From: Las vegas nevada
Club FTE Silver Member

Bad GP or GPR? maybe ohm out the glow plugs if the resitancse is open then u have a bad gp replace as required
 
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 04:22 PM
  #5  
jstarr's Avatar
jstarr
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
no mods just cut off the muffler.. it gets about 19 degrees for a few hours at nite
 
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 04:23 PM
  #6  
jstarr's Avatar
jstarr
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
it has 109xxx miles
 
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 07:14 PM
  #7  
mixerdrvr's Avatar
mixerdrvr
Senior User
10 Year Member
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 172
Likes: 0
From: wildwood, mo.
Do you try to start it as soon as the glow plug light goes off?If so wait 30 seconds afer it goes off and try it.
 
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 07:18 PM
  #8  
gearloose1's Avatar
gearloose1
Post Fiend
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,127
Likes: 6
Check fuel pressure.

If you leave your car in a heated garage and it starts no problem in morning.

Suspect fuel gelling / wax dropout.

The vehicle is speced to start reliable to -20F
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 11:05 PM
  #9  
stroked4life's Avatar
stroked4life
Junior User
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
hardstarts

alot of people have had to fix their FICM , this also has the glow plug controller in it. my 03 had the same issues, i reflowed the solder on the 8 points that was showed and it now starts after the glow plug light goes out. my ficm voltage dropped to 27.2volts because of cracked solder joints.should be around 48 volts. there is a sticky in the tech. about FICM fixes. pretty simple fix
 
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 01:44 AM
  #10  
bismic's Avatar
bismic
Fleet Owner
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 27,881
Likes: 3,595
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by stroked4life
alot of people have had to fix their FICM , this also has the glow plug controller in it. my 03 had the same issues, i reflowed the solder on the 8 points that was showed and it now starts after the glow plug light goes out. my ficm voltage dropped to 27.2volts because of cracked solder joints.should be around 48 volts. there is a sticky in the tech. about FICM fixes. pretty simple fix
The FICM does not have the glow plug control module on it. Also, the glow plugs can stay on for up to a couple of minutes - even after the light goes out.
 
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2011 | 12:01 AM
  #11  
stroked4life's Avatar
stroked4life
Junior User
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
ficm

ok so no glow plug module in the ficm,, but arent the solder joints that crack part of the glow plug system? i thought that was the whole 48 volt thingy ,for heating the glow plugs ?? maybe i am misunderstanding. i know you know alot more about these than me bizmic, so sorry for the confusion.
 
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2011 | 02:13 AM
  #12  
bismic's Avatar
bismic
Fleet Owner
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 27,881
Likes: 3,595
Club FTE Gold Member
http://www.fordtechservice.dealercon...FICM_Guide.pdf

The FICM drives the fuel injector solenoids based on fuel and timing commands (via *CAN2 link) from the PCM. It uses engine speed and position signals (*CKPO, *CMPO) to determine when the injectors need to be activated. The FICM internally generates 48V used to drive the injector solenoids. Each individual injector is controlled with four driver outputs from the FICM. There are high and low side drivers for the open and close coil of each injector.

To drive the fuel injector, the FICM produces two control signals for each injector.
The open coil is driven (via a 20A pulse) to open the injector. This shifts the spool valve in the injector to the open state. Once this has taken place, high pressure oil is directed on top of the injector intensifier piston. In result, fuel is being delivered through the nozzle of the injector.

Once the desired fuel has a been delivered, as calculated by the PCM/FICM, the close coil is driven (via a 20A pulse) to close the injector. This stops the distribution of high pressure oil to the top of the intensifier piston thus stopping the delivery of fuel.
The net time between pulses is equivalent to the fuel pulse width (FuelPW) used to provide fueling.

The coil on time is currently calibrated from “400us to 5.8ms”. The 5.8ms is for cold starts. As the engine warms up the duration decreases and settles around 800us depending on the amount of fuel being commanded.
 
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2011 | 06:04 AM
  #13  
npccpartsman's Avatar
npccpartsman
Hotshot
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 15,368
Likes: 121
From: Stuttgart, Ar
Club FTE Silver Member

Originally Posted by stroked4life
ok so no glow plug module in the ficm,, but arent the solder joints that crack part of the glow plug system? i thought that was the whole 48 volt thingy ,for heating the glow plugs ?? maybe i am misunderstanding. i know you know alot more about these than me bizmic, so sorry for the confusion.
The glow plug module is on the passenger side (usually valve cover) and completely separate from the FICM (which is drivers side under the degas bottle). The glow plugs heat the actual cylinders to raise the temp to improve combustion on cold starts. They operate at 12 volts and have a HUGE current draw.

The injectors are controlled by the FICM and are 48v units. The FICM uses the small coils of the injector spool valves as heaters to heat the oil in the injector so that the spool valves will move freely and the injectors will fire correctly when cold.

Two different systems completely that are being used to help with cold starts. Confused yet???
 
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2011 | 07:38 PM
  #14  
stroked4life's Avatar
stroked4life
Junior User
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
ficm

thank you to the both of you for the explanations. Bismic got a little technical on me though. but i see now where i was confused, i guess it is all in the FICM abbreviation . again thank you
 
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:44 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE