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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 05:55 PM
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The TTB isn't a bad setup really. There is no real difference in strength between a straight axle D44 vs. a ttb D44. Most people just get tired of the problems associated with the ttb setup, but with some research you can set a ttb up to work.

Here's a good thread about the TTB axles: GoFastBroncos.com - View topic - TTB vs. THE WORLD (AKA differences between Ford TTB axles)
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 06:14 PM
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More questions...

More questions...Thanks for the help.

I understand the 7th gen front suspensions came with leafs for the 4wd drive versions and my truck since it is 2wd has coils.

I was not able to get a clear answer from anyone.

Can I pull the axel and leaf springs off a donor 4wd (F250 or F350) and bolt it up to my 2wd chassis?

Thanks!
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tdshandley
More questions...Thanks for the help.

I understand the 7th gen front suspensions came with leafs for the 4wd drive versions and my truck since it is 2wd has coils.

I was not able to get a clear answer from anyone.

Can I pull the axel and leaf springs off a donor 4wd (F250 or F350) and bolt it up to my 2wd chassis?

Thanks!
I am not sure what a 7th gen Ford truck is(I don't keep up with that lingo too much) but what you are describing pertains to the 80-I think 97 trucks. No, the leafs will not bolt in. The almost will, but not completely. There is some modification that needs to be done around the front of the frame to make the shackles work. After that, it all bolts in, with possibly a little rivet grinding here and there.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dohc_chump
Can you go into more detail as to why this won't work? These ideas are just like bluecollar mentioned, theories on our parts. If you can provide more info I'd really appreciate it.



Here's a link that tells you all about it and has pictures. It's pretty bad, almost nothing will interchange out at the spindle. If you do a search, you can convert the f150 dana 44 ttb to 8 lug if you use some parts from a older chevy axle.
FullSizeBronco.com - 78 - 96 Ford Bronco offroad club, forums, tech, installs
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Franklin2
I am not sure what a 7th gen Ford truck is(I don't keep up with that lingo too much) but what you are describing pertains to the 80-I think 97 trucks. No, the leafs will not bolt in. The almost will, but not completely. There is some modification that needs to be done around the front of the frame to make the shackles work. After that, it all bolts in, with possibly a little rivet grinding here and there.
You mention modifications to the front of the frame. Can you elaborate or know of a thread that address a leaf spring install on a IFS F250 frame?

Thanks!
 
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Originally Posted by tdshandley
More questions...Thanks for the help.

I understand the 7th gen front suspensions came with leafs for the 4wd drive versions and my truck since it is 2wd has coils.

I was not able to get a clear answer from anyone.

Can I pull the axel and leaf springs off a donor 4wd (F250 or F350) and bolt it up to my 2wd chassis?

Thanks!

There is a kit you can buy from a place I think it's called Sky Manufacturing. It's a kit to move the shackles on a Ford 350 from the front to the rear, called a front shackle reversal kit. This gives you some lift and they claim a better ride, but I would have to think the Ford engineers put the shackles up front for some good reason. Anyway, it just so happens you can use this kit to install a axle under your 2wd if you use a f350 dana 60 straight axle. I am thinking it's not made to work with the dana 50 ttb or the dana 44hd ttb.

I will look and see if I can find the specific mods for the front factory shackle install.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 06:42 PM
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I am familiar with shackle reversals from the LandCruiser world. Its not exactly what I am after, but if it allows me to put a 4x4 front axel under my 2wd IFS F250 I all about it!

Thanks again!
 
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Originally Posted by Franklin2
Here's a link that tells you all about it and has pictures. It's pretty bad, almost nothing will interchange out at the spindle. If you do a search, you can convert the f150 dana 44 ttb to 8 lug if you use some parts from a older chevy axle.
FullSizeBronco.com - 78 - 96 Ford Bronco offroad club, forums, tech, installs
Yeah, I know about the Chevy conversions, they're a pita. I was wondering why you can't convert the 2wd over using the 1/2 ton D44 though, ignoring the knuckle issue. Are the I-beam lengths/pivot location different between the D44 arms? Does anyone have a pic showing 2wd I-beam lengths vs. 4wd D44, D44HD, and D50 arms? I may have to go bust out my tape measure and hit the snow.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 06:50 PM
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Do yourself a favor and go with a Dana 60 High Pinion front axle and a coil spring/link bar setup. You can buy spring buckets that weld/bolt to your frame for cheap. You can buy Spring pads that mount to the axle for cheap. Same goes for shock mounts and link bar mounts for both frame side and axle side. Get some SuperDuty (99+) front springs, or aftermarket front springs. Make or buy some link bars with heims or bushing ends. There's some fabrication work involved, but nothing serious, just brackets really. If you can't do the fabrication work yourself, ask a friend who can, or find a shop that can do the work for you. It's not hard.

If you're going to go through all the work of making your 2wd a 4wd, why use the stock crappy front suspension? Why not upgrade while you upgrade? Have you ever ridden in a TTB 4x4 truck with leafs? You like your kidneys intact? A Solid Axle Coil Spring front suspension will ride as smooth as your stock 2wd coil spring setup.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dohc_chump
Yeah, I know about the Chevy conversions, they're a pita. I was wondering why you can't convert the 2wd over using the 1/2 ton D44 though, ignoring the knuckle issue. Are the I-beam lengths/pivot location different between the D44 arms? Does anyone have a pic showing 2wd I-beam lengths vs. 4wd D44, D44HD, and D50 arms? I may have to go bust out my tape measure and hit the snow.
It's all in that link, pictures and everything.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tdshandley
I am familiar with shackle reversals from the LandCruiser world. Its not exactly what I am after, but if it allows me to put a 4x4 front axel under my 2wd IFS F250 I all about it!

Thanks again!
I always knew there was a problem with the front, but didn't know what it was till I looked on the web a little bit. Someone I think already mentioned it in this thread, the frame is boxed on the front of a 4x4 frame, and a 2wd frame is a open "C". So the front shackel has nothing to swing from with no support on both sides without welding in some sort of support.

I think I would seriously look at the shackle conversion kit and see if it would work ok. Unless you can mount the factory shackle and add some support to it.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 07:02 PM
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F150 44:


F250 44HD:


Dana 50:


Dana 60:
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 07:11 PM
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:41 PM
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*bang!*.....that's the sound of that theory being shot to death. Thanks for the link! Very educational. Cool stuff, but they kinda condemned 1/2 ton guys to staying just that no matter what, huh? Oh well. And sry for hijacking the thread with my wild contraption-esque theories. ...off to f&$k somethin else up now lol
 
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 09:48 PM
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I found the information I was looking for.

Thanks for all the help. Going to look at a donor on Thurs!
 
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