360 to 302?
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360 to 302?
So I just picked up a van from a buddy who is moving and can't take it with. It is a 1970 with a good running 302, C6 and Dana 60. All of which I'd like to swap into my 1971 F250 replacing the leaky 360, failing C6 and Dana 60(also leaking).
From what I've read I will need to get new motor mounts and maybe drive line.
The plan is to drive the van until I have everything I need to start the project, then part-out/scrap the rest. Anyone have any advice on what else I'll need to gather together or look out for? Any advice would be great. Thanks Charlie.
From what I've read I will need to get new motor mounts and maybe drive line.
The plan is to drive the van until I have everything I need to start the project, then part-out/scrap the rest. Anyone have any advice on what else I'll need to gather together or look out for? Any advice would be great. Thanks Charlie.
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The motor and trans should be pretty simple. I think you could use the vans motor mounts - the mounts on the crossmember lined up fine for my swap (from '85 f150), but I think that they set the motor up a bit higher than a truck that came from the factory with a 302. Doesn't seem like a problem...
Some one correct me when I'm wrong - but the motor and trans should bolt in with out any mods to the drive shaft. The trans mounts and everything shouldn't be a problem. Simpler than the AOD swap in mine!
I don't know about the Dana's - no comment.
Good luck!
Some one correct me when I'm wrong - but the motor and trans should bolt in with out any mods to the drive shaft. The trans mounts and everything shouldn't be a problem. Simpler than the AOD swap in mine!
I don't know about the Dana's - no comment.
Good luck!
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You may need different engine stands/perches that are possibly bolted in a different hole (but not sure). Here's a couple good links:
Comparison Photos of Engine Perches - FORDification.com
Ford Engine Swapping - BumpWiki
Comparison Photos of Engine Perches - FORDification.com
Ford Engine Swapping - BumpWiki
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Originally Posted by Shanesdentist
The van is a 1970 with a 302, C6 
and Dana 60.
and Dana 60.FYI: No 1969/74 Econoline came from the factory with a C6, all were C4's. First year for the C6 in an Econoline: 1975. This is a totally different vehicle (body on frame) than previous years (1961/74's are all unit bodied).
The only 1969/74 Econolines to come with a Dana 60 were E300's, which have 16" 8 lug 6.50" bolt circle pattern wheels.
1969/74: E100's used the Ford WEV Light Duty 9 inch / E200's used the Ford WEW Medium Duty 9 inch / E100/200's have 5 lug 14" or 15" wheels.
1969/79 F100 302; 1975/79 F150 302 & 1977/79 F100/350 351M/400 2WD's used the same engine supports (aka towers, stands, perches).
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The frame should be drilled for several different mounting positions for the perches. They just need to be moved to match up with the 302. Everything else should be a bolt in deal. I've put a van 302 in a '70 F100; the van oil pan looks wierd compared to the pickup's, but it fit in the pickup fine.
The rear end is a different story; I think the van's is wider than the pickup's. Some of the vans had the pumpkin offset quite a bit also which would cause the driveshaft to be misaligned. Just do some measuring. However, wherever the existing rearend is leaking from can only be either a seal or the cover gasket, both cheap and easy to fix, far less work than changing the whole axle out.
The rear end is a different story; I think the van's is wider than the pickup's. Some of the vans had the pumpkin offset quite a bit also which would cause the driveshaft to be misaligned. Just do some measuring. However, wherever the existing rearend is leaking from can only be either a seal or the cover gasket, both cheap and easy to fix, far less work than changing the whole axle out.
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For the third time. It's WAY easyer to repare your seals and gaskets. Especialy considering the seals in the van axle are probably old and ready to fail and your going to end up changing them anyway.
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When I said the motor mounts from the van should be OK - I meant the rubber mounts. On my '71, I pulled the 360, and dropped in a 302 on the existing stands/perches with no modification.
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maybe i am in the minority..but why not just fix what you have in it now..if you swap to the other van stuff, after all the work..you will probably still need to do all the things you say are wrong with your truck now! old engine and trans are still old engine and trans...would just be new to your truck.. not new...
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Agreed. Maby taking the van apart first and Hibbing the motor an overhual/gasket replacement and then do the swap. Or drive the van while you pull the 360 out and do the same and throw it back in.
The 302 will be a little better on gas but make less power and the 360 is what belongs in there and is a well ballanced motor for the hp/mpg argument. I get 12-13mpg with mine when i don't drive like an *** but it just comes down to how worn out it is.
****... Maby make the swap and take the time to do ringas, barings, and gaskets in the 360. Clean up and re-seal the C6 and then throw it all back in in s year or so. All depends on what your comfterable with and can aford. If the 302 is clean and strong just throw it in but swapping a week leaky motor for another one is a heartbreaker.
The 302 will be a little better on gas but make less power and the 360 is what belongs in there and is a well ballanced motor for the hp/mpg argument. I get 12-13mpg with mine when i don't drive like an *** but it just comes down to how worn out it is.
****... Maby make the swap and take the time to do ringas, barings, and gaskets in the 360. Clean up and re-seal the C6 and then throw it all back in in s year or so. All depends on what your comfterable with and can aford. If the 302 is clean and strong just throw it in but swapping a week leaky motor for another one is a heartbreaker.
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Thanks for the advice guys. The 360 leaks oil out the rear seal and head gaskets. Also the exhaust manifolds so I'm would be looking at pulling the heads at least. Judging from the JB weld job on the radiator someone let it getway too hot. I was able to solder it up and no leaks!
The 302, although old, is in really great shape. My buddy got it literally, from a little old lady that was the original owner. Paperwork backs it up. No leaks, ticks or anything. Since i'm not going to be towing, I can deal with the lost HP. I had a 302 in a '72 and it had quite a bit of get up and go.
The tranny is indeed a C-4 but was just rebuilt last summer.
The rear ends are both 60's I'll just fix the one that's in the truck. That way I don't have mess with the brakes. I really appreciate the help. this forum is awesome1
The 302, although old, is in really great shape. My buddy got it literally, from a little old lady that was the original owner. Paperwork backs it up. No leaks, ticks or anything. Since i'm not going to be towing, I can deal with the lost HP. I had a 302 in a '72 and it had quite a bit of get up and go.
The tranny is indeed a C-4 but was just rebuilt last summer.
The rear ends are both 60's I'll just fix the one that's in the truck. That way I don't have mess with the brakes. I really appreciate the help. this forum is awesome1
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You will need some different engine stands to mount the 302, there is a pic of some in one of my galleries. You will probably need to change out the front of the rear drive shaft, I think the C6 and C4 used two different outputs.
