1984 460
1984 460
I bought a 1984 F250 4x4 with a 460/4spd. It is pretty much stock, accept for a cam with Duration 262/270, Lift .513/.520, a edelbrock vivtor intake, and edelbrock 750 carb. the rest is bone stock. motor was freshened up less than 300 miles ago. Im wondering what the horsepower range would be. thanks
My stock '85 460 is rated at 250 hp but I could not guess what yours is but.......................is it really that important to know how much hp it's making? Are you satisfied with the power now? Are you satisfied how it runs? If you are than it doesn't matter if it makes 50 or 500. HP ratings are just a number on a piece of paper.
I'm not going to guess at what HP range it might be in, I will mention tho, that with the rest being "bone stock" the intake on there is not helping out any. The victor is a single plane intake made for top end power, the cam (looks like a Comp Xtreme Energy XE262) is designed to start building power at 1300 rpm, compare that to the victor intake which starts around 3200-3500 rpm. Toss in the stock cr of 8:1ish and the parts are actually working against each other to try and make power. Even the carb is overkill as the mismatch between the intake and cam is actually going to hurt your volumetric efficiency. As a rule of thumb, you can figure around 80-85% VE for a mild build. Assuming a 83% VE, your motor only needs a 650cfm carb (618cfm calculated) at peak power (5600 rpm based on the cam). However, considering the mismatch of parts, I seriously doubt the previous owner took the time to port match the heads to the intake (from Edelbrock: Standard 429/460 cast iron heads will require port matching of the head to fit manifold. ). If thats the case, the mismatch on the ports will actually HURT your VE and drop it to around 75% or even less. Assuming a 70-75% VE your motor only needs a 570cfm carb (520-559cfm calculated) meaning that 750cfm carb is not helping you and actually working against you once again.
If you change over to a dual plane intake (Edelbrock Performer or Weiand Stealth) and a 650cfm vac secondary carb, I think you would be very surprised at the increase in usable power you would have.
If you change over to a dual plane intake (Edelbrock Performer or Weiand Stealth) and a 650cfm vac secondary carb, I think you would be very surprised at the increase in usable power you would have.
Even just switching intakes and using that carb will help
Even tho the carb is bigger then you need, it's not really hurting you just not gaining so if you don't want to spend money right now you can leave that but definitly switch intakes. Switching carbs would just waste money IMHO.
Ward mentioned a couple but I woudl change that to performer RPM or Stealth with the stealth being first choice.
Even tho the carb is bigger then you need, it's not really hurting you just not gaining so if you don't want to spend money right now you can leave that but definitly switch intakes. Switching carbs would just waste money IMHO.
Ward mentioned a couple but I woudl change that to performer RPM or Stealth with the stealth being first choice.
The Weiand Stealth is actually my first choice too. Comes in strong right off idle and flows well all the way to the redline (Weiand claims idle to 6800rpm operating range) with that intake on the 429, 11.5:1 cr and a Comp 278/288 cam (234/244 @ 050) it would spin 7000grand on the tach with no problems, and flat roast the tires (35" mud terrains, 3.55 gears and a c6) but still be cruise around friendly at the lower rpms too.
TIMING GEARS CRUCIAL FOR TORQUE IN 460s WITH LOW COMPRESSION
The Weiand Stealth is actually my first choice too. Comes in strong right off idle and flows well all the way to the redline (Weiand claims idle to 6800rpm operating range) with that intake on the 429, 11.5:1 cr and a Comp 278/288 cam (234/244 @ 050) it would spin 7000grand on the tach with no problems, and flat roast the tires (35" mud terrains, 3.55 gears and a c6) but still be cruise around friendly at the lower rpms too.
11.5 to 1 Compression and Unleaded gas are not very compatible. During the Oil Crisis of the 70's the price at the pump TRIPLED TO @ 1.00 DOLLAR PER GALLON.
I paid 3.87 for 87 octane today, 1 July 2025. We have 3 refineries in this town, in California. A fourth was bought & shut down by ALON LTD, AN ISRAELI BASED COMPANY. NOBODY HERE CAN FORCE THEM TO RUN IT. BUT A NEW REFINERY CANNOT GET PERMITS TO BE BUILT. EPA , CARB , CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT , ETC.
That 1 dollar price would equate to @ 12.00 dollars a gallon IN THIS TOWN. Probably @ 9.00 per gallon in the other 47 states. IN SAN FRANCISCO @ 18.00 OR MORE.
If someone replaced the cam, I would ASSUME that they also replaced the timing set. What we don't know is what they replaced it with! The crank gear on 429/460s was retarded starting in 1972 for emissions purposes. A replacement stock timing set for the 84 would still be one with the retarded crank gear. Using either a 71-earlier timing set, or the factory double roller set from a '88-newer EFI 7.5L/460 would give a 'straight-up' timing set. In 335-series ( 351C/351M/400 ) they actually retarded the camshaft grind itself. SBFs - I don't know what they did...
A Victor single-plane intake is WAAAAAAY too big for a stock-ish 460. Looks cool, but terrible for anything less than 3500rpm. Any dual-plane intake would help to bring back throttle response. Stock-ish motor with only a cam upgrade?, I'd stick with a standard Performer, or even the stock truck 460 iron 4barrel intake. The Stealth or Performer RPM is a choice for higher revving engines - which your truck is NOT!
Carburetor - again, smaller is actually better on a stock-ish engine. It keeps the intake velocity up for better torque and street-driving crispness AND FUEL ECONOMY. Remember that even Ford used smaller carbs on actual muscle cars of the late '60s and early '70s. The 390GT used a 600cfm vacuum secondary, the 428 CobraJet only got a 735, and even the Boss 429 was only a 750! Your 460 truck is not seeing those higher RPM blasts or power levels of those cars!!
A Victor single-plane intake is WAAAAAAY too big for a stock-ish 460. Looks cool, but terrible for anything less than 3500rpm. Any dual-plane intake would help to bring back throttle response. Stock-ish motor with only a cam upgrade?, I'd stick with a standard Performer, or even the stock truck 460 iron 4barrel intake. The Stealth or Performer RPM is a choice for higher revving engines - which your truck is NOT!
Carburetor - again, smaller is actually better on a stock-ish engine. It keeps the intake velocity up for better torque and street-driving crispness AND FUEL ECONOMY. Remember that even Ford used smaller carbs on actual muscle cars of the late '60s and early '70s. The 390GT used a 600cfm vacuum secondary, the 428 CobraJet only got a 735, and even the Boss 429 was only a 750! Your 460 truck is not seeing those higher RPM blasts or power levels of those cars!!
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