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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 09:54 AM
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Assisted Suicide...or...Murder???

In either case...very sad!!!



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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 10:11 AM
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That's sad.


Seeing that my dear old Dad has Alzheimer's Disease (advanced 3rd Stage), and what my Mom goes through EVERY day, it puts a strain on both, when they are 'that' old.
(My Dad is 86. My Mom is 87.)
Neither Mom nor Dad are healthy. Mom had a massive stroke in '01 that's left her deaf in her right ear, and her 'motor skills' on the right side are diminished. But, she just keeps 'chugging' along.
They both refuse to go into assisted living, and neither one will consent to moving into my house.
(The 'thing' about 2 women living in the same house comes into 'play', here.)


Was it murder?? Was it (assisted) suicide??



There's NO WAY that I can even begin to speculate.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 10:14 AM
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It'll be interesting to see what the DA charges him with.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 10:43 AM
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Indeed...a very sad case. I would think that if charges are filed...some sort of manslaughter or murder would have to be included. She had no choice in the matter...which would...I think...preclude any suicide finding.

My father has been diagnosed with mild to moderate dementia consistent with Alzheimers. So far so good though. Unfortunately...along with other health issues consistent with being 83...it's all down here from now.

Keith...good thoughts for your folks...and...for you.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 10:55 AM
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Thanks, Ken.

Ya know, when Dad retired (when he was 74), neither my sister nor I thought that Mom & Dad would last very long.

You see. . . we just 'knew' that about a month after Dad retired, that we'd discover them in their living room, both dead.
Dad's hands would be around Mom's throat, and Mom's hands around Dad's throat, kinda/sorta like "War of the Roses".
Can't you just see Harvey Corman and Carol Burnette in a skit, doing this!?!?!?!
(My feeble attempt at comedy, here! Mom and Dad have always had a loving relationship.)


But. . . they've been married almost 64 years, and are more in love and more dependent on each other now, than ever before.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 05:04 PM
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I think it was a mercy killing but I'm sure it will be charged up as murder.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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Not Guilty by reason of diminished capacity!
 
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 06:46 AM
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This couple could very well have had many discussions over the years on the very choice the husband made.

I have had end of life discussions with my wife. I have no desire to only "exist" with mental faculties gone, reduced to nothing more than a body that doesn't know my brain is gone and hasn't sense enough to quit.

I'm sure it was an agonizing choice and the poor man spent many sleepless, gut wrenching hours at home and alone.

Seems like he was very dedicated to his wife. I am not sure I could be at that age and in that situation.

Sometimes life just sucks, sometimes end of life sucks more!
 
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 10:12 PM
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The Orange County DA is charging him with murder and a sentencing enhancement for fatal use of a firearm.

Suspect in Orange County nursing home killing charged with murder - latimes.com
 
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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No matter what happens or what he is charged with, it is a real tragedy all around. His life ended with hers when he pulled the trigger...............
 
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 10:55 AM
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Oregon has doctor assisted suicide..........

I have elderly folks myself, and this thread is troublesome.....I do not even want to think about their deteriorating condition. They have both said, "no intervention" when they get to that "point" and have expressed interest in the "option" the state allows.

I don't think I will worry today,..........Dads out looking at a 2011 Explorer, and moms getting Turkey day preparations going!
 
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Murder.

Like it or not....We're not favored 'pets' which are suffering to be simply put down at the vet's office.....or outright shot by the owner.

Part of me understands......But hey......The law is the law....and if it's a 'mercy' killing....Well...The victim ain't around no more to confirm it.
 
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Murder.

Like it or not....We're not favored 'pets' which are suffering to be simply put down at the vet's office.....or outright shot by the owner.

Part of me understands......But hey......The law is the law....and if it's a 'mercy' killing....Well...The victim ain't around no more to confirm it.
100% agree with this.
Husband might have been motivated by compassion to see an end to his wife's "suffering", but what he did has no honor or dignity.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 05:59 PM
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I am whole heartedly behind the idea of assisted suicide. Medical science can pretty much keep a person going forever...regardless of the quality of life.

It sounds to me that the gentleman in question had reached his wits end and probably saw no other solution. I'm sure that he believes in his heart of hearts that he did the right thing. I'm not sure that I would disagree with him.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 07:16 PM
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The whole thing is very sad. Not being in his shoes I have no idea what to call it. It could be that he was losing his marbles and he knew it, and was afraid that nobody would take care of her. Who knows. With appeals he could never see jail even if he was convicted anyway. It could also be that he was losing his marbles and didn't know it and just went off the end.

There are really no "golden years." They are really rusty tin at best. The older you get the more physical problems you have, and the less you can do. When you are young you have a lot to look forward to. But when you get old you might only have regrets to live with. All your parents and older relatives are gone. And probably your friends are going one by one. All you have to do all day is wonder when your turn is and will you go with something painful or go in your sleep. Now add watching and taking care of the person you spent your whole life with, who is wasting away and probably doesn't even recognize you. Life is not always a bed of roses. I have no idea what I would do in his place.
 
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