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I'd ask this on the FE board, or maybe even one of the older engine series', but I've never heard of anything like that. You may know something I don't, but if there is a completely different 360 from the one commonly used in light trucks, it is raaaaaaare, obscure, and old.
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With Ford, there really isn't a true "small block" or "big block", just all different families. For the typically referred"small block" it would be the 60's there was a 221, 260, 289, then the 302 and the 351W came later. 360 was an FE, which by it's size, some may call a big block.... it is it's own beast in the relations to other motors. The FE shares with nothing. FT motors are similar, but a little bit different. Bell housing I believe is the only common part.
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Engine Families
Generally, Ford engines are referred by design family ("engine architecture") rather than displacement.
Here's the list from my noggin:
260,289, 302, and 351s are Windsors
351 Cleveland (not sure if there are others in this group.
351M/400.
FE: 360,390,427, 428
FT: 361 and 391
385 Series: 429 and 460... (Sometimes referred to as Lima engines?)
Fox 5.0 liter (late Windsor-based 302s and 351s)
4.6 and 5.4 modular motors
Ecotec
Powerstroke
Coyote (newest five liters)
.... I'm sure someone will add/correct if I missed anything like the Merc 410 although I think that was an FE or FT.
Here's the list from my noggin:
260,289, 302, and 351s are Windsors
351 Cleveland (not sure if there are others in this group.
351M/400.
FE: 360,390,427, 428
FT: 361 and 391
385 Series: 429 and 460... (Sometimes referred to as Lima engines?)
Fox 5.0 liter (late Windsor-based 302s and 351s)
4.6 and 5.4 modular motors
Ecotec
Powerstroke
Coyote (newest five liters)
.... I'm sure someone will add/correct if I missed anything like the Merc 410 although I think that was an FE or FT.
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I'd put the 351 Cleveland and the 351M/400 in the same group. I know some may take offense to that.... but many if not most of the components are interchangable between all 3 engines.
Also, just a subjective thing, but to the original poster, if there was ever a definite Ford big block in people's minds, it was the 429/460 family. But what you'd call a small block, or where that line begins is just a matter of what you want to call what.
Also, just a subjective thing, but to the original poster, if there was ever a definite Ford big block in people's minds, it was the 429/460 family. But what you'd call a small block, or where that line begins is just a matter of what you want to call what.
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Fords first FE in 1958 passenger was 332 ,352.
then in 61 it was 390.
59-60 t-bird was 430 ,fe or ft ,not sure.
The 360 came after 390 ,in trucks i think.
The" MOTOR'S auto repair MANUAL" list the 58 to 60 ford edsel as having ,332,352,361,E-400,E-475,I don't know anything about fords E-400 or E-475.
then in 61 it was 390.
59-60 t-bird was 430 ,fe or ft ,not sure.
The 360 came after 390 ,in trucks i think.
The" MOTOR'S auto repair MANUAL" list the 58 to 60 ford edsel as having ,332,352,361,E-400,E-475,I don't know anything about fords E-400 or E-475.
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A little googling has shed a small amount of light on the E-400 and E-475 engines, which really caught my eye when you posted them. Apparently the E-400 was a 361 with a 4 bbl, not sure which engine family, and the E-475 was a 410 MEL. The 430 was also an MEL engine. I had heard of MEL before, but didn't really know anything much, but from looking just now, these engines made a tonnnn of power, close to 500 ft/lbs from the 430 and 462?! That sounds like a truck engine to me...
Can anyone give complete info on these engines?
Can anyone give complete info on these engines?
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All you need to know about 430 and 462 engines is that they are obsolete boat anchors. They were Lincoln and Tbird motors, and there are no performance parts for them, and finding regular repair parts would be a pita as well. They were pillow barge motors. Not used in trucks.
The FE and 385 motors are the way to go for power. Diesel is the way to go for trucks.
The FE and 385 motors are the way to go for power. Diesel is the way to go for trucks.
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Only cross-brand engine transplants gets people into more of a tizzy than the "small block/big block" discussions. I always direct people who claim it's Chevy only to the engine forums, where the terms are used to describe several engine series.....