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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 08:35 AM
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Ran good, now no start

Drove to work this morning and stopped to get drink. Got back in the truck and she won't start. Got no codes according to the Edge, got oil pressure after a couple of seconds of cranking, and no smoke. Any ideas? Replaced the alternator a week ago and batteries tested fine. Also did an oil change.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 08:57 AM
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Since your truck is an 06 I'm gonna ask if you've had the STC fitting replaced??
 
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 09:22 AM
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Another possibility would be to check the FICM voltages - due to the recent alternator replacement.

Codes are very important to troubleshooting - lots of things can cause a no-start.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 09:58 AM
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Morning Bismic,
Got no codes coming up on the Edge, but I've got the wife bringing me my OBDII reader to double check. With the FICM going, wouldn't I at least get some smoke? Seems to me like she isn't getting any fuel, but I'll have to wait until I get her to my shop. I've got oil pressure after a couple of seconds of cranking and she turns over well. No struggling there.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 10:11 AM
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Morning Bismic,
Got no codes coming up on the Edge, but I've got the wife bringing me my OBDII reader to double check. With the FICM going, wouldn't I at least get some smoke? Seems to me like she isn't getting any fuel, but I'll have to wait until I get her to my shop. I've got oil pressure after a couple of seconds of cranking and she turns over well. No struggling there.
Doh ! You did say no codes! Sorry I am still not awake yet! When my FICM went, I saw no codes. It really depends on what component in the FICM fails (at least that is my theory anyway).
 
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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Have you checked your fuel pump?
 
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 10:44 AM
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Have not had a chance to really check anything yet. The truck is still sitting in the 7Eleven parking lot. It'll get picked up later this morning and brought to my shop. Only thing I can tell you is what I could check on site without any real tools. I sure hope it's not the HPOP. Cranking I appear to have good pressure on the dash gauge. That to me rules out something wrong with the new oil filter. No smoke tells me that it is most likely a fuel issue. Be it fuel timing (no signal), fuel pressure or whatever else controls or actuates the fuel circuit. Now that being said, when I did the oil change I did drain the water out of the fuel filter. Could it be sucking air there? Probably should still get some smoke though.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 12:30 PM
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One thing to eliminate the fuel pump is that it didn't smoke or try to fire at all. Even IF the fuel pump was out there would be fuel in the lines and heads and you would get some smoke or it would have attempted to fire. That's why I'm thinking FICM or HPO (not necessarily the oil pump).
 
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One thing to eliminate the fuel pump is that it didn't smoke or try to fire at all. Even IF the fuel pump was out there would be fuel in the lines and heads and you would get some smoke or it would have attempted to fire. That's why I'm thinking FICM or HPO (not necessarily the oil pump).
Is there a crank or cam position sensor to also check? Guess those would set codes, but I don't know if they do just from cranking.
 
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Originally Posted by mohle
Is there a crank or cam position sensor to also check? Guess those would set codes, but I don't know if they do just from cranking.
These two sensors are virtually bulletproof on a 6.0 but can and will set codes from a no start/stall event. I know of VERY few that have EVER actually failed for anything more than a bad/leaky o-ring.

The thing that bugs me is that it was running fine(?) and then it just had a not start occur minutes/seconds later with no codes and no warning. Had you been having any problems prior to, such as longer than normal crank to start or anything?
 
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Nothing to be even remotely related. I'll get the wife to pick me up a fuel pressure gauge. Always wanted to have one anyway. Then I'll be able to check it and the multi meter will tell me about the FICM.
 
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Originally Posted by mohle
Nothing to be even remotely related. I'll get the wife to pick me up a fuel pressure gauge. Always wanted to have one anyway. Then I'll be able to check it and the multi meter will tell me about the FICM.
You can always pull the secondary fuel filter cap to see if you're getting fuel there. I just don't think that's your problem, but it's always possible. Be sure and check the fuses under the steering wheel and under the hood.
 
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Got her into the shop now. Will work on her when I close the shop at 5.
 
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FICM fuse blown, replaced and still no start. Test FICM next. Can an FICM that's on it's way out take out an alternator?
 
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 05:37 PM
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FICM fuse blown, replaced and still no start. Test FICM next. Can an FICM that's on it's way out take out an alternator?
vice/versa is my general understanding.
 
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