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Hi, I have a 93 F150 with a 302 and E4OD. I'm Thinking of building a HiPro Engine, probably a 351. I'd like to stick with fuel injection. But want to get Mass air, I'd most likly be using a mustang intake. I read some stuff about doing it but still have some questions. Would i have to use a mustang computer? And if so what do i do about my tranny? Any info anyone could give would be great. thanks
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You won't be able to use the 5.0 intake on a 351, it is to small. The deck heights are different and heads are farther apart. you would have to use a 5.8 lower intake.
You could pick up a mass air conversion kit for your truck from Ford Racing. They list the same kit for the 5.0 and 5.8 engines. This way you can use all your factory stuff for the 5.8. You WILL need the computer for auto trannies.
You could pick up a mass air conversion kit for your truck from Ford Racing. They list the same kit for the 5.0 and 5.8 engines. This way you can use all your factory stuff for the 5.8. You WILL need the computer for auto trannies.
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But can i still use the 5.0 plennum. I've seen this type of set up done with mustang's before with 5.8. That mass air that Ford sell's for the truck i believe only fits the 5.0's with manual tranny's so i can't use that. all i really want to know is do i use my computer that i have now. or get a mustang's computer. The engine is going to be basically all mustang parts, but a 5.8 not a 5.0. If I have to use a mustang computer though, will it work with my tranny bucause mustangs don't come with E4OD's. They have AOD's
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Your computer will not work with a mass air setup.
Check here:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/racingsu.../masairin.html
The kits listed are for both the 5.0 and 5.8, so you can use a 5.0 mustang eec with the 5.8. Since you have a e4od, you could always piggyback 2 eec's. The mustang maf for the engine and the stock eec for the tranny. Will take a bit of wiring but can be done.
You could also just by a new eec from Ford. The 95 California 5.8 MAF/E4OD EEC, part# F5TF-12A650-BYA, would work for you. It is not as aggressive as the Mustang eec but you could get a chip burned for it, tailored to your engine mods.
As for the the 5.0 upper, I believe it will work with the 5.8 lower. I have never tried one, so I don't know for sure.
Check here:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/racingsu.../masairin.html
The kits listed are for both the 5.0 and 5.8, so you can use a 5.0 mustang eec with the 5.8. Since you have a e4od, you could always piggyback 2 eec's. The mustang maf for the engine and the stock eec for the tranny. Will take a bit of wiring but can be done.
You could also just by a new eec from Ford. The 95 California 5.8 MAF/E4OD EEC, part# F5TF-12A650-BYA, would work for you. It is not as aggressive as the Mustang eec but you could get a chip burned for it, tailored to your engine mods.
As for the the 5.0 upper, I believe it will work with the 5.8 lower. I have never tried one, so I don't know for sure.
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Would it be possible to use a mass-air conversion for the Lightning modified for a regular 5.8? Don't the lightnings have an E4OD? I don't know for sure, but that might also be something you could look into. That kit is more expensive, but comes with bigger injectors along with the wiring harness, computer, and mass-air meter. It doesn't have the split for the regular truck intake, which is something you'd have to work around, but otherwise it seems like it ought to work.
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I hear jet makes a good stand alone computer to run a E4OD( typicaly used when putting a E4OD in older trucks) then you can run a mustang computer out of a stick car. The stick shift computer is said to be better than one out of an automatic.
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Yes, you could use the lightning maf kit. I believe you will need 2 oxy sensors and it runs 2 computers, one for the e4od and a mustang eec. The lightning is SEFI (which is good) and will involve a bit more wiring changes, as well as distributer modification.
Check this:
http://www.pro-flow.com/Instructions...ng%20truck.htm
It gives good instructions and diagrams, as well as pinouts for the eec.
Check this:
http://www.pro-flow.com/Instructions...ng%20truck.htm
It gives good instructions and diagrams, as well as pinouts for the eec.
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Ford's mass-air conversion kit converts the trucks from bank fire to SEFI, and so the injector order must match the firing order. They should come with a wiring harness, so that shouldn't be a problem as long as the injectors are hooked up in the right order for the firing order of the motor. I thought that the kit replaced the stock computer too, so that the kit for the lightning would control the tranny and an updated strategy for increased performance. I'm not sure how many O2 sensors the lightning had, but that's another thing to find out. That might be slightly easier than running two computers, but I don't know for sure what is involved with adapting the lightning computer for a regular 351. Just some more ideas for you to think about.
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Confirmed that the 5.0 intake will work on the 5.8 lower.
The Mass air conversion kits from Ford for the lightning have a jumper harness with 2 eec connectors.
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/racingsu...e/19ligon.html
The lightning is sefi which uses a different distributer(internal pickup). The eec must know where #1 cylinder is. This doesn't matter on a bank fire system. I believe the hall effect sensor is different (indicator tooth), but don't know if you can put the sensor in a bank fire distributor.
The Mass air conversion kits from Ford for the lightning have a jumper harness with 2 eec connectors.
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/racingsu...e/19ligon.html
The lightning is sefi which uses a different distributer(internal pickup). The eec must know where #1 cylinder is. This doesn't matter on a bank fire system. I believe the hall effect sensor is different (indicator tooth), but don't know if you can put the sensor in a bank fire distributor.
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I see that now with the lightning kit; didn't notice the 2 eec connections the first time I saw it. The kits for the 5.0/5.8 convert to sequential injection, is that right? That's what I understood from the FRPP catalog.
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I don't know for sure if the Ford mass kits convert to Sefi, as you do need the right distributer, with the #1 cylinder identifier. Most of the kits I have seen for the F-series don't, except for the Lightning of course.
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From: airdrie canada
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thanks, i was looking at the sefi kit a yr ago and the shop i was talking to said no you already have it, but i didn't think that was right. i couldn't fiqure out why a kit was for sale if the trucks already had sefi. thats what i hate about doing swaps, stc, there is so much misinfromation out there, a guy has to wade thru it an get to the real truth. speaking of truth, did ford make trucks with 351 windsors and aod's? if so what years? did any not have efi?
