Edwards Deming (USA) did do great job with Japan.

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</TD></TR><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.1em; BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%" scope=row>Born</TH><TD style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1.3em; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle">October 14, 1900(1900-10-14)
Sioux City, Iowa, USA
</TD></TR><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.1em; BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%" scope=row>Died</TH><TD style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1.3em; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle">December 20, 1993(1993-12-20) (aged 93)
Washington DC, USA
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William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993) was an American statistician, professor, author, lecturer, and consultant. He is perhaps best known for his work in Japan. There, from 1950 onward, he taught top management how to improve design (and thus service), product quality, testing and sales (the last through global markets)<SUP id=cite_ref-lecture_0-0 class=reference>[1]</SUP> through various methods, including the application of statistical methods.
Deming made a significant contribution to Japan's later reputation for innovative high-quality products and its economic power. He is regarded as having had more impact upon Japanese manufacturing and business than any other individual not of Japanese heritage. He was considered something of a hero in Japan.

 

I too had the original starter replaced with a HT DB Denso (made in China) for right at $100. Installed easy, but the engaging shaft busted inside the gear housing. I had a local rebuild shop replace that part and purchased a new "real Denso" made in Japan (but as Pop mentioned, could be made in China or elsewhere) and is much better in appearance than the DB unit. I have the repaired DB starter (cost me $60) as a spare. I did pay twice the amount for the new Denso starter, but hopefully it will be worth it.

 

So I checked two additional Autozones in my area to see if any of their “new” gold-duralast starters were 2- bolts and they were all 3-bolts. Each Autozone only had 1 so the two additional I looked at plus the one I bought were all 3-bolts. Only the remanufactured duralast starter was a 2-bolt so I bought one.


Just looking at the information on Autozones website it lists the new gold-duralast at 12 pounds versus the remanufactured duralast at 11 pounds which is probably the difference in weight between the 3-bolt and 2-bolt starter.
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You can see why I opted for the 2-bolt starter in my other thread here ...

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...sd-w-pics.html

 

Hey, I have just been going through this on my OBS. I am sending back a DB cheap Chinese starter. It started failing two weeks ago and then left me stranded in a snowstorm. Argh.

It's great that they are taking it back after 11 months, but charging me a restocking fee for a failed unit is very irritating. In addition, I pay shipping both ways. They wanted to replace it, I said that I didn't want it since I cannot rely on it.

Have you guys looked at this starter?

Plenty of dough, but genuine Japanese Denso:

Ford Super Starter

I am on the cusp of buying it, but would love to see other sources first to compare the price.

Thoughts?

 

That Denso sure looks like the one I ordered after the DB China Denso broke a shaft. I paid approx. $400 as shown on your link.
These, I think are made in Japan, not China and mine has that green sticker on the body.

 

I emailed Larry @ Foster Truck and he says it's a genuine Japanese starter. 18 month warranty too, but he's never had to send back a failed unit.

Where did you get yours?

 

I've heard of Denso before... how do they compare to OEM, Bosch, or Alliant?

*adds to favorites*

 

Probably more relevant is how they compare to high-wattage Mitsubishi PLGR's.

Pop

 

Jon, Nippon Denso (just Denso now) has been around for years. I've always known them for their automotive and heavy industry equipment and to my surprise that's the small part of their business. They currently make mostly thermal and powertrain equipment these days, but they have been involved on the automotive parts business with Toyota for a long time. They make small engines and electrical motors and have done so for many years (John Deere is another customer). They have a very good reputation in this regard.

Pop, the Foster page lists 5.6HP for that starter. Converting that (EHP) to kilowatts, I come up with 3.998...call it 4kW. Sound right? The other PLGR starters that I have seen list out at 3.6kW. I don't remember seeing any with more. Of course, more battery drain isn't always good, but more power to crank the motor is.

I think I might pull the trigger on this unit. Yes, it is expensive. My truck is worth it (even if it is an OBS! - lol - can't forget the forum I am in!). I would appreciate any valid reasoning why I should not get it. Being stranded just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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It's on its way. I still have the POS failed DBE starter. I need to call and ask about the 20% restocking fee for a failed unit.

They look very similar from the site photos. I'll take some side-by-side pics and follow up with the group.

 

I am looking into the Denso also.
I have a thread going also.
How long will 7.3 starter last or something like this.

I found a Japan factory not a copy for $325 delivered.
They have a $149 denso copy and when I spoke to Adam owner of below he indicated he can get the real one for $325.
www.nationalautoelectric.com

Check it out.
Check out my post there is some info on how to bolt up the denso.

One thing Adam indicated the high torque of the Denso requires the bolts to be checked for touque on a regular basis due to torque/bolts becoming loose.

 

The factory is 2.6 kw
Mitushibi is 3.6 kw
Denso is 4.0 kw
Per Adam at www.nationalautoelectric.com

 

Sorry but what do these numbers mean?

 

This would be the (cranking) power of the electrical motor.

National Auto Electric should be at http://www.nationsautoelectric.com

Right?

 

Not exactly sure but the higher the # the faster the starter spins.(more power/torque)
The higher the # the more drain on the system, battery's etc.

Doesn't appear to be an issue with the higher draw though.