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Old 07-22-2016, 09:17 AM
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Thanks Jim, I appreciate your opinion. I guess the default is normally, they are open whenever the engine is at operating temperature so it shouldn't hurt anything, now that I think about it.

I agree with your carburetor theory. I installed the stock size (1.02" venturi, 243 CFM) on my Y block and it's never run better. I had a Holley 500 CFM on there and it was like a firehose on that thing, I managed eventually to jet it down and such and get it to run pretty good, but it was still a little on the large size. I'm running stock 2v intake and small heads, so it never breathed very well. With the dual exhaust it runs pretty good and idles nice and runs great. I haven't noticed much, if any, performance between the two except to my wallet, at the pump.
 
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Thanks Jim, I appreciate your opinion. I guess the default is normally, they are open whenever the engine is at operating temperature so it shouldn't hurt anything, now that I think about it.

I agree with your carburetor theory. I installed the stock size (1.02" venturi, 243 CFM) on my Y block and it's never run better. I had a Holley 500 CFM on there and it was like a firehose on that thing, I managed eventually to jet it down and such and get it to run pretty good, but it was still a little on the large size. I'm running stock 2v intake and small heads, so it never breathed very well. With the dual exhaust it runs pretty good and idles nice and runs great. I haven't noticed much, if any, performance between the two except to my wallet, at the pump.
I'm not surprised that it runs good with just the 2V. These stock motors with stock mild cams and low CR heads, and run at limited RPM can only flow so much CFM. Putting large carbs on is a waste of time and money.
 
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Okay. With all that said, I shall be on the hunt for a junk carb from which I can rob a bowl. That will solve the original problem on the other truck. As stated before, I am more than content with the performance of my 2 bbl. So, I'll list my intake on eBay and let 'er rip. They bring some pretty nice coin on there.

You guys have helped a lot.
 
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My 2 cents, a smaller carb will generally perform better at the lower rpms, which is where we usually drive. Part of the reason for that is port velocitys. Same with the smaller heads, better port velocitys at lower rpm. The higher rpm you want to run, the bigger heads and carb it takes to optimize that performance. I think ideally that a small cfm quadrajet from say a 305, would be an ideal carb. Run most of the time on the puny primarys and have the big secondarys on tap for passing semis and such. A well tuned 3x2 would do the same thing and look a lot better.
I used to argue that with the chevy guys. They all thought they needed 2.02 heads on their 4x4 plow truck and it was like driving a spike into a rock to convince them the engine and the driver would both be a lot happier with smaller heads.
 
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The CFM calculators (I think) are setup for drag racers. They want you to plug in the maximum RPM to get the proper size carb for that. Except most of us don't spend all of our time at 5900 RPM.

On the other hand if you plug instead the typical 60 mph, in high gear, cruise RPM then the results offered look a lot different in fact, they are almost exactly what Ford provided as OEM equipment. Maybe a little on the smallish side, but it will be a very efficient carb and have good low end torque and driveability for hauling heavy loads. Surprise surprise.
 
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Okay. With all that said, I shall be on the hunt for a junk carb from which I can rob a bowl. That will solve the original problem on the other truck. As stated before, I am more than content with the performance of my 2 bbl. So, I'll list my intake on eBay and let 'er rip. They bring some pretty nice coin on there.

You guys have helped a lot.
Hope you can find a bowl. It's amazing to me how much money people are asking for old junk 2V carbs on Ebay, like they are gold plated . Another option would be a 2100 Autolite, great carbs..
 
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For some reason I like those Holleys with the clear glass bowl. It's easy to tell at a glance if the carb is getting fuel at least.
 
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Originally Posted by hardlyrider
Anyone got a old bowl for a 1505 list 2bbl?
Before I forget are you familiar with Ed's Carburetor forum? It doesn't have a real fast turnover but you might get some more eyeballs on your carb needs. Can't hurt to try.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/88781
 
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For some reason I like those Holleys with the clear glass bowl. It's easy to tell at a glance if the carb is getting fuel at least.
I have a 1904 Holley with a glass bowl on my 223, I've had a few other early Fords with them..
 
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Getting way off topic, I always thought an engine with all glass or clear components would be interesting.
 
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On the other hand if you plug instead the typical 60 mph, in high gear, cruise RPM then the results offered look a lot different in fact, they are almost exactly what Ford provided as OEM equipment... Surprise surprise.
Years ago when I attempted some modification that seemed outlandish to my dad, he would ask: "Do you think you know more than those engineers in Dearborn?"

The older I get, the smarter he gets! ...and still going at 96!
 
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