All 4 brakes locked after a stop, how did I honk up PB install?
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All 4 brakes locked after a stop, how did I honk up PB install?
I installed a PB booster and bracket last weekend.
I have the adjustable rod to the pedal.
I had to set up the rod at full short to allow for the pedal height to be closer to the floor.
I checked for brake switch operation, and that works.
Drove the truck 25 miles on the freeway after Installation. Then around town the next week.
Pulled out of a shopping center today. I notice the brakes seems to be dragging. No big deal.
Drive 5 miles, pull in for gas. Restarted, drop in gear, and no movement.
Locked up solid.
Towed home, let it cool. All better.
I obviously built in drag, and it got hot and reinforced that failure to me.
Is there a preferred proceedure to set rod length?
I have the adjustable rod to the pedal.
I had to set up the rod at full short to allow for the pedal height to be closer to the floor.
I checked for brake switch operation, and that works.
Drove the truck 25 miles on the freeway after Installation. Then around town the next week.
Pulled out of a shopping center today. I notice the brakes seems to be dragging. No big deal.
Drive 5 miles, pull in for gas. Restarted, drop in gear, and no movement.
Locked up solid.
Towed home, let it cool. All better.
I obviously built in drag, and it got hot and reinforced that failure to me.
Is there a preferred proceedure to set rod length?
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The output rod between the booster and the MC is adjustable. If it's adjusted too far out, it will be partially applying the brakes at all times. If this is the problem, it will cause the brakes to steadily heat up as you're driving. This can lead to the brakes locking up until they cool back down.
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I pulled the old MC loose from the booster.
Noticed it has a small leak on the booster side.
Now to replace the MC.
During PB install, the tech mentioned the MC-booster adjustment rod was too long.
He removed the adjustment sleeve extension (mc contact side).
The booster-pedal adjustable rod was also too long.
He trimmed 1/2" from the booster-pedal ring bolt.
I tried 5 parts houses to check if there was a MC for PB. Not found. 1 MC fits all 67s.
I will trim 1/2" from the booster-pedal shaft coupling nut and see if that is enough to allow the threaded MC-booster rod to fit.
If that fails, it will be time to buy a matched MC/booster assembly from a parts house.
Noticed it has a small leak on the booster side.
Now to replace the MC.
During PB install, the tech mentioned the MC-booster adjustment rod was too long.
He removed the adjustment sleeve extension (mc contact side).
The booster-pedal adjustable rod was also too long.
He trimmed 1/2" from the booster-pedal ring bolt.
I tried 5 parts houses to check if there was a MC for PB. Not found. 1 MC fits all 67s.
I will trim 1/2" from the booster-pedal shaft coupling nut and see if that is enough to allow the threaded MC-booster rod to fit.
If that fails, it will be time to buy a matched MC/booster assembly from a parts house.
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Not all M/C have the same inner piston travel. Rockauto did have some listed the last time, I was on there web site.
Some have a 1" & some have 1.1/8" rod travel.
The M/C piston bore size also can screw ya up to, bigger is not always better if you use one that's to large of piston size you may have a soft pedal with about haft the pedal. Once, I changed to a smaller piston size my pedal was back up to full pedal again..
Orich
Some have a 1" & some have 1.1/8" rod travel.
The M/C piston bore size also can screw ya up to, bigger is not always better if you use one that's to large of piston size you may have a soft pedal with about haft the pedal. Once, I changed to a smaller piston size my pedal was back up to full pedal again..
Orich
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Not all M/C have the same inner piston travel. Rockauto did have some listed the last time, I was on there web site.
Some have a 1" & some have 1.1/8" rod travel.
The M/C piston bore size also can screw ya up too, bigger is not always better if you use one that's too large of piston size you may have a soft pedal with about half the pedal. Once, I changed to a smaller piston size my pedal was back up to full pedal again..
Orich
Some have a 1" & some have 1.1/8" rod travel.
The M/C piston bore size also can screw ya up too, bigger is not always better if you use one that's too large of piston size you may have a soft pedal with about half the pedal. Once, I changed to a smaller piston size my pedal was back up to full pedal again..
Orich
A smaller MC bore diameter will have less firm of a brake pedal, more forward travel but, a better feel for modulation and will produce more output pressure.
This all assumes that all the air is evacuated from the brake system and the drum brakes (if there's drums on the rear) are adjusted out and the output rod of the brake booster to the MC are set correctly.
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I pulled the old MC loose from the booster.
Noticed it has a small leak on the booster side.
Now to replace the MC.
During PB install, the tech mentioned the MC-booster adjustment rod was too long.
He removed the adjustment sleeve extension (mc contact side).
The booster-pedal adjustable rod was also too long.
He trimmed 1/2" from the booster-pedal ring bolt.
I tried 5 parts houses to check if there was a MC for PB. Not found. 1 MC fits all 67s.
I will trim 1/2" from the booster-pedal shaft coupling nut and see if that is enough to allow the threaded MC-booster rod to fit.
If that fails, it will be time to buy a matched MC/booster assembly from a parts house.
Noticed it has a small leak on the booster side.
Now to replace the MC.
During PB install, the tech mentioned the MC-booster adjustment rod was too long.
He removed the adjustment sleeve extension (mc contact side).
The booster-pedal adjustable rod was also too long.
He trimmed 1/2" from the booster-pedal ring bolt.
I tried 5 parts houses to check if there was a MC for PB. Not found. 1 MC fits all 67s.
I will trim 1/2" from the booster-pedal shaft coupling nut and see if that is enough to allow the threaded MC-booster rod to fit.
If that fails, it will be time to buy a matched MC/booster assembly from a parts house.
Brake fluid and rubber booster diaphragms are not a compatible mix. The brake fluid will break down the rubber of the booster diaphragm and cause it to rupture and fail.
Standard practice, if a MC leaks over inside a vacuum booster, is to replace BOTH the MC AND the vacuum booster.
I would not recommend installing a rebuilt MC either. You will be far and ahead to buy a brand new MC.
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Got it. New MC that is.
It only dribbeled for 75 miles. Booster was new when installed.
Shortened pedal rod mod done.
Related question on brake light switch...
Shouldn't the switch be normally open (power to one side when not pressed)?
Where does it draw 12v?
Mine has no power.
*EDIT-Found the 20A Emergency fuse blown.*
Would have been nice if the fuse block was labelled stop lamp as well.
It only dribbeled for 75 miles. Booster was new when installed.
Shortened pedal rod mod done.
Related question on brake light switch...
Shouldn't the switch be normally open (power to one side when not pressed)?
Where does it draw 12v?
Mine has no power.
*EDIT-Found the 20A Emergency fuse blown.*
Would have been nice if the fuse block was labelled stop lamp as well.
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Got it. New MC that is.
It only dribbeled for 75 miles. Booster was new when installed.
Shortened pedal rod mod done.
Related question on brake light switch...
Shouldn't the switch be normally open (power to one side when not pressed)?
Where does it draw 12v?
Mine has no power.
It only dribbeled for 75 miles. Booster was new when installed.
Shortened pedal rod mod done.
Related question on brake light switch...
Shouldn't the switch be normally open (power to one side when not pressed)?
Where does it draw 12v?
Mine has no power.
One side of the brake switch should be hot at all times (Red/Black wire, if my memory is correct). The solid red wire is the switched wire to complete the path through the switch, if the contacts were closed (pedal applied) to illuminate the brake lights.
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Actually the opposite will happen. The larger the MC bore, the harder (more firm) the brake pedal will be and the less forward travel the brake pedal will have. It will not have as good of feel for brake modulation and it will also produce less output pressure to the brakes for a given amount of force applied on the brake pedal.
A smaller MC bore diameter will have less firm of a brake pedal, more forward travel but, a better feel for modulation and will produce more output pressure.
This all assumes that all the air is evacuated from the brake system and the drum brakes (if there's drums on the rear) are adjusted out and the output rod of the brake booster to the MC are set correctly.
A smaller MC bore diameter will have less firm of a brake pedal, more forward travel but, a better feel for modulation and will produce more output pressure.
This all assumes that all the air is evacuated from the brake system and the drum brakes (if there's drums on the rear) are adjusted out and the output rod of the brake booster to the MC are set correctly.
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