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Originally Posted by cmpd1781
Leather isn't really very practical....and/or it requires WAY too much maintenance to take care of it. Especially premium leather.
You don't have to keep the stuff spit shined in a SHTF scenario.

Seriously, leather is extremely practical, durable, long lasting, and when the chips are really down can serve as food. My leather tack outlast the cordura stuff by 2-3 times with little maintenance.
 
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Old 09-06-2014, 02:35 PM
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You don't have to keep the stuff spit shined in a SHTF scenario.



Well....The way THEY were talking...you kinda/sorta did.....


My point being....pick stuff that doesn't require much maintenance.


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Seriously, leather is extremely practical, durable, long lasting, and when the chips are really down can serve as food. My leather tack outlast the cordura stuff by 2-3 times with little maintenance.


Point taken.


Nothing against leather......really. I just liked the TuffProducts magazine holders.....and considering the number of mags I was talking about carrying....and the integration with a 'MOLLY' vest......It would be a practical 'fast' kit to throw on and do battle......
 
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Old 09-06-2014, 04:08 PM
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What clux said plus

Originally Posted by cmpd1781
Leather isn't really very practical....and/or it requires WAY too much maintenance to take care of it. Especially premium leather. And I'd trust the synthetic gear over cheap leather (which easily cracks, tears, etc.) any day of the weak.
Ya do the maintenance when you can so you don't have to when you can't. Once in good shape it will stay that way through thick and thin for a long time.

The only thing harder about premium leather is that premium full grain leather is thick thus takes more oils and has the top layer that doesn't absorb as well. In the first three days after I recently got new boots I put maybe a cup of oil on/in the leather over 3 days. Now, they are great, they slough off everything and are comfortable enough that I haven't yet worn socks with them this summer.

Fragile leather is thin under grain leather without replacement oils. Still the most fragile leather is still stronger then the majority of heavy duty fabrics.

Originally Posted by cmpd1781
How much leather are the military guys in combat wearing (excepting boots)? What are the scout/snipers wearing/carrying in order to remain 'stealthy'....?....
Very little but the reasons for that aren't anti-leather. They are pro military, military supplied equipment, and support to clean and replace.

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There's quiet, and there's 'quiet'. I'm not sneaking up for a close shot at an NVA general or anything........or crawling through the jungle. Sure....If you're trying to move from point a to point b, and there's a group you're trying to avoid, then sure. Quiet is better than not quiet. But in the environment I'm speaking of, I don't see the need to be able to move like a ninja.
IDK why this noise thing has been taken to an extreme but noise is no reason for leather over fabrics, neither is loud, except corduroy of course.

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If I'm low-crawling, it's to avoid bullets...and in THAT case, who gives a s--t how loud the velcro is? I don't plan on low crawling to sneak around. Impractical and I'm carrying way to much s--t anyway.....I'm not planning on taking out sentries.
If I'm low crawling I absolutely want leather between my skin and the ground. Nothing else will stand up better to that kind of use or keep me drier, warmer, cut free, etc. while doing it.
 
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:57 PM
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Update of handy equipment. Urban OR not-so urban.


Quick and easy shelter:


https://www.land-shark.com/#land


or food:


Datrex - DATREX BLUE RATION 3,600 KCAL, 1 PACK detail


I like the no-heat-signature characteristic of the shelter.....if you happen to want to avoid heat-seeking equipment.


Both are lightweight, small, and highly portable.


So. Ya got your weapons. Mags. Other sundry items. Hopefully a 3-liter camelback. Knives. Food and shelter.


Your expectation of survival has increased.
 
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that shelter is to loud, it will give away your position.
 
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that shelter is to loud, it will give away your position.

Ever hunted? Don't you know how to stay still and not make noise?


You're not going to be moving around in it......
 
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your reply to my comment is way to loud. youll give away your position,. (if you havent been able to tell yet im just messing with ya)
 
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You got me......
 
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when i got out of the Marines they gave me my brain back from the Jar.. you must still be enlisted.
 
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Originally Posted by cmpd1781
Update of handy equipment. Urban OR not-so urban.


Quick and easy shelter:


https://www.land-shark.com/#land

Cool advertising. Of course the 0 return on a FLIR is on a quick read in the beginning. Body heat will leak out any openings as you warm up and give a heat signature. If you want to hide from an Infra red camera, get behind a piece of glass.

And if you want to save money on that magical cocoon, google space blanket. That's all this is. I will give them credit for at least adding the stitched reinforcement. The non-stitched kind are basically just mylar and way too easy to tear, but they do fold up into a very small pouch and can be used for an emergency.

I carried a space blanket decades ago. Made a huge difference when we got caught in a surprise blizzard up on a mountain top (in the middle of summer without cold weather gear)
 
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Old 09-17-2014, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip1970


when i got out of the Marines they gave me my brain back from the Jar.. you must still be enlisted.


I didn't have one they could take......


When I joined in '84, brains were optional.......
 
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