Let me interject. I take neither side on this.

We have all felt the seat of the pants difference. And if it makes you feel better then by golly go ahead. But to substantiate the difference you need numbers and data.

For example, I installed an HPx from RiffRaff. At the time the only "data" I could fine was seat of the pants remarks. I bit the bullet, and I too felt the difference. Only I had an AE. You will now find a nice graph on the Riffraff product page.

We just want the data. Until then, literally every post of this 8 page thread is speculation, no offense Chris.

Sounds like we have some. VOA and UOA on the way?

 

What I see on the pyro's is, once again... not speculation.
I will see to analyse.
Pre-treatment uoa
Virgin oil + hss voa
Uoa with treatment. Your going to have to wait till oil change time for this one.

Steve,
You hit the nail precisely on the head. That is exactly where my head is at for this product.


Sorry... i dunno how to quote multiple posts on my tablet like you fancy cats with yer keyboards, mice... and whatnot...

 

Chris I've used it in my 97. I had the same issue as you and the same experience as you after running it. My injectors ran quieter and more responsive, my idle was smoother. After I put new injector in I still ran a half bottle ever oil change til the day it was totaled.

As far as running it in a new engine I'm doing it now. I have half a bottle in a built 8k dollar engine that on paper should make 600hp that's in my 96

 

The button to the right of the "quote" button on any post, tap that and the green plus sign turns red iirc. Tap again back to green. The posts you want to quote, just select them all and hit reply, they should all be in the message box on the page that opens. (Now that I've stated that openly, let me try it real quick so I can edit this before anyone sees it if I'm wrong. Wouldn't want that to happen in this thread, Gawd!)

 

I am correct once again. Still batting 1000. At least to issues my wife isn't aware of.

 

Some of you will have to get over the fact that some (or most) of us call it for what it is. Many people believed this guy and made him rich. And the people were convinced it was a cure and they'd fight to the death arguing how great it was. I guess if it made them feel better then it was money well spent to them.



My previous truck was a 2000 7.3 I have friends with 7.3s and they also would never consider using it.

I certainly have no bad feelings about anything said. I had my say and shared my experiences. No need to get bent out of shape trying so hard to convince anyone.

I don't really see what a UOA will accomplish though, as it relates to the magical better fuel mileage, and rebuilds the injectors without removing a valve cover, and 30 extra hp. All from one little bottle.

 

I don't have a dime in this, but it seems people who use or have used it like it. Those who don't use it and have never tried it argue that it's no good. I'm not saying anything one way or another because I haven't used it or had the need, I only have 220k on my injectors. But if I ever have injector problems 100k from now I think it's worth a shot!

I have been on this forum a long time and seen many mods come and go, they don't all work for everyone but if you use it and like it great! If you haven't then it's hard to discount. :0)

 

Pete - I wonder if HSS is similar to Schaeffer's 132 Moly EP Oil treatment?(Molybdenum, Zinc, Antimony). It was mentioned that Moly & zinc were increased on an UOA after using HSS. I bet someone on Bob is the Oil Guy might have posted a virgin OA of HSS or the MSDS.

http://www.schaefferoil.com/cmss_fil...Sheets/132.pdf

http://www.schaefferoil.com/cmss_fil...y/MSDS/132.pdf

 

Oh its a VOA with oil? Hmm

 

Yes.. Probably.. I'll search when I get home.

 

Good to know, because your intent was not clear to me.



Anyone can quote a post and highlight or delete a portion of, for better communication and clarity. It doesn't take a moderator. You lost me on that one.

For the sake of clarity, I was not commenting on your earlier post, just the one I quoted because it seemed by your tone and choice of verbiage that you were viewing the marketing method in a negative light.

Incorrect. The words you used in your post led me down that path, albeit a tad reluctantly, but your words none-the-less. I didn't leap to this conclusion and create something of my "own making."

I disagree. If your whole post was composed like your second paragraph, then yeah, it could be described as simple observations. But you didn't, so there was no unfair "yoke of negativity" fastened upon your post by me.

Your whole post was a bit passive-aggressive.

Much like the next quote:

Incur my wrath as a moderator? So you feel the need to make that comment because you see me model that behavior here at FTE regularly?

Again, for the sake of clarity, my post only addressed your sarcasm and negative reaction, knocking the company for the free sample give-away, not the request for data or posting of any opinion on the product.

The tone of your post was colored by your previous posts, and when you state something like....

...that's not me creating a yoke of negativity. That's me reading your words of negativity creating a yoke around the post.

I don't care if anyone likes or doesn't like the product. I could really give a rats tushie one way or the other. I just took exception to you calling out a company for giving away free samples. Nothing more, nothing less.

Please feel free to continue questioning the usefulness of this product. Like I stated, I don't have a dog in this fight, and questioning helps suss out a product and how true it may be.

Stewart

 

Sheesh.... I propose we declare this and "slide" back on-topic:

A few people slipped with the keyboards. Panties were bunched. We're all friends, friends have "off" days, and you're all worthy of letting it go and moving on.

My thinking: That document I found on Moly raised my right eyebrow up and around until it reached my wallet (right butt cheek). The document was from the Schaefer website. Since multiple people here acknowledge Schaefer has Moly, their website has so much good information on Moly, and people I know and trust to have solid lubricant and/or chemistry knowledge say that Moly document is valid - I'm sold on the correct form and formulation of Moly and I'm eyeballing Schaefer.

Many members here swear by Schaefer, but I have heard no testimonials (yet) that rise to the level that Chris has shared about HSS.

Why do I bring up Schaefer oil in a HSS thread? The results of Chris's test, the engine oil analysis revealing the Moly levels with HSS, plus all the other info presented if one sifts through the filler...



[playfully glaring around the room with a smile - even at our venerable mod]



...I am led to this thought: Many of us are not chemists. I don't think we are really qualified to mix fluids together and say "Ah... this is the right mix for our 7.3L oil". Schaefer (for one example - this is not a pitch for a single product) has the info I was looking for, others use it and like it, their trucks didn't up and die on the road from use of this oil, it has some of the ingredients that Chris added with HSS, and I'll take it on faith that the chemistry in the oil is "compatible with itself". Mixing products always run the risk of incompatibility.

Chris really deserves a lot of credit for what he has done here. We have all read the mantra "Though shalt not use oil additives on the 7.3L", and he is not stupid. He has clearly stated his injectors are toast, he has a grand plan for his engine (soon) and I know he'll follow through (remember when he pulled the engine before?). With this in mind, he defied the 7.3L first commandment and tried something - at risk to his wallet and the use of his truck until it's time for the engine pull. In a single phrase - "He took one for the team". I tried to rep, but I must spread them.

I get what you're doing, Chris - and while you were hopeful, I bet you were totally surprised by the results. Thank you for reporting this and introducing a new concept in dealing with our noisy injectors. I may have something to work with here, but I don't want to risk playing chemist on Stinky's new injectors. I will, however, entertain the thought of getting some Moly-rich oil (like Schaefer) - as much as I dislike the price. I can then report those results in this same thread, but I still have to burn through a few thousand miles before my next oil change.

 

I think that the amount of molybdenum in most compression rated oils has been decreased significantly in the last five or six years. I used to have UOA come back in the high 100's to over 200 ppm on moly, and now they run in the 50 ppm.

 

I will double check with Chris Gabrelcik on that one, because I am not positive on it myself. It may just be a component of the viscosity improver, but I know for fact we do have a viscosity modifier in the product.

Our recommended follow up treatment is a half dosage (1 quart) every 3rd oil change (about 15-20k miles). Though some of our customers run it every oil change at a half dose.

Thanks Christof13T for helping us out by testing the products. We really do appreciate it

 

Yep, IIRC when the new CJ-4 specification came out 5 or 6 years ago the additive packages on many oils were affected. Pete (F_250) will probably remember more than I do, but I've got VOA on some Schaeffer's & Delo.

Edit: Off to Terre Haute & Scheid's Diesel Extravaganza ........... anyone gonna be there for the Diesel Fun?

http://www.scheiddiesel.com/scheid-d...ravaganza.html