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Old 05-14-2014, 07:22 AM
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351m tuning project

One of the projects on my list has been to add some engine diagnostics and better understand tuning. Maybe I can squeeze a bit more mileage out as well. I'm not sure where I'll end up over the next couple of months, but I thought I'd share what I learn with you all along the way.

My first task was to add an air/fuel ratio gauge. Reviews on the web pointed me to an AEM kit and I found it for a good price on eBay. Since I don't trust my gas gauge in being very accurate (I'm using what looks like a homebuilt aux tank until I can replace the stock one), I found a fuel flow meter to help monitor consumption. It can measure real-time flow as well as integrated flow.

Here are some pics for the above. I'm going to drive the truck to work for the next couple of days and will have some data to share soon including a snapshot of my current set-up (carb, jets, timing, etc.)




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Interesting, I'll be curious to hear your results.

By the way, Nice truck.
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You sound a lot like me.

I bought the summit racing version of that aem a/f meter, which is almost identical. It works excellent. Way better than a narrow band and a multimeter I was trying to use before. I am running in the 12:1 area with full throttle and at idle then around 13-14 at cruise. I used a cigarette lighter plug for the power and ground and just ran it out the window for testing purposes. I recently rented a 2013 v6 mustang and it had several apps including an AF monitor. It ran right in the 14:1 area most of the time and maybe 13:1 at full throttle. It got 24 mpg over the 10 days I had it and I wasn't ever nice to it.

After watching a factory tuned mustang, I think I am going to play with the jets on my carb and try to get around 13:1 at full throttle. I tried leaning the idle down but it didn't like it at all. Vacuum gauge method worked best on the idle.

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Interesting, I'll be curious to hear your results.

By the way, Nice truck.
Thanks! Your truck has inspired me to think about going with the two-tone given how great it looks.
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Orangeford - thanks for sharing that info. In parallel to making measurements, I need to learn more about what to target for an AF ratio and when. You raise an interesting idea - I should go see what my mustang is running at.
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Here's a snapshot of my current setup:
  • 351m with ~71k miles
  • Hedman fenderwell headers with 1 5/8" tubes and 3" collectors
  • Straight exhaust to Flowmaster 40 mufflers dumping before the tires
  • Edelbrock Streetmaster manifold
  • new Holley 4160 with #67 jets
  • new cap, rotor, wires, plugs
At idle, the AFR was 12.2 which seems a bit rich. I was able to get this up to 13.6 or so, but trying to go any further to 14.7 caused the engine to run worse. The AFR seems pretty responsive to small changes in the idle mixture screws around ~1.5 turns out.

Over a couple of days back and forth to work, I averaged 9.5 MPG with an average speed of 25.5 MPH. Using an iPhone app and Google Earth I found that my odometer reads about 11% low - an effect of the 35" tires I assume.

Here's a quick scan of the AFR with a slow ramp of RPM:

700 13.6
1000 12.4
1500 12.2
2000 12.9
2500 13.8

Seems like I could drop a couple of jet sizes, but I now realize I want to go check the timing and get a map of the advance curve before I start making any changes.
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Thanks for the kind words.

What is your altitude? I'm getting about 10MPG after a lot of tweaking of the carb and mostly my timing but I have to burn the higher octane fuel.
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Good question - I should've noted that I'm at just about 5200 feet. This reminds me I should go get some vacuum numbers as well. I'm starting to think I need to get/build a data logger for this project.
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Very cool. I am using that same fuel flow rate sensor on my truck for a related project. I'll be interested to know your thoughts on its performance.

I'm pasting a link to the picture instead of the picture itself so as not to crowd your thread.

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Is that 71,000 original miles on a OEM 351M you have?



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Here's a snapshot of my current setup:
  • 351m with ~71k miles
  • Hedman fenderwell headers with 1 5/8" tubes and 3" collectors
  • Straight exhaust to Flowmaster 40 mufflers dumping before the tires
  • Edelbrock Streetmaster manifold
  • new Holley 4160 with #67 jets
  • new cap, rotor, wires, plugs
... etc ...
Interesting thread ..... but about that "Holley 4160 with #67 jets" .... 4160 is not any one specific carb, it's a "model number" ..... and that model covers a variety of CFM rated carbs. The 4160 uses a metering plate on the secondary side instead of a metering block with removable jets like a 4150. The "List" 3310 was originally a 780 CFM carb that started out as a 4150 with rear metering block that featured jets that could be changed but in the '70s Holley cut the cost by making it into a 4160 and they changed the CFM rating to 750 in later years ..... as an example. A popular model 4160 is the "List" 1850 which is a 600 CFM carb .... likely what you meant ..... but there are a bunch of different CFM carbs that are still all "Model" 4160 carbs.


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tbear853 - yes, I'm reasonably confident the 71k miles is original. The truck is in really great shape and shows little signs of wear and tear. Other than age related issues with plastics and rubber, there's no body work or major dents and I only had to deal with light surface rust on the roof and hood from the paint being cooked off in the NM sun. I'm the third owner and the second owner only had it a year. I think I got very lucky finding this one.

You're absolutely right - I should've been more clear on the carb. It's a list 1850 at 600 cfm with vacuum seondaries and a manual choke.
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Very cool. I am using that same fuel flow rate sensor on my truck for a related project. I'll be interested to know your thoughts on its performance.
So far the calculated mileage using the flow meter measurements is reasonable consistent with estimates I made trying to use the gas gauge. It's interesting to watch the flow rate numbers. From what I've observed so far, the rate of flow tracks with RPM and also with load. For example, going to the HF today is all uphill for about 5 miles. The flow rate was noticeably higher than when returning home. One annoyance is the LCD screen shuts off after a second or two when I stop at a light.
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With more driving today, updating the mileage calculation got me to 9.0 MPG. Based on the flow meter, I'm guessing this is good to +- 1 MPG.

Also, I repeated the AFR scan I posted below. The only difference was every number was ~0.4 lower except idle which was about the same (although it bounces around quite a bit). Now today it was about 20 degrees warmer than when I took the data below and the atmospheric pressure was lower. Maybe it's a coincidence, but the percentage drop in air density today was about the same as the percentage drop in the AFR. Hence the reason modern engines have mass air flow sensors?

Finally, I measured the advance curve for just mechanical, with the advance connected to manifold vacuum, and with the advance connected to the ported vacuum. I have been running with it connected to manifold vacuum. Clearly I have too much initial. I'll also double check the harmonic balancer marks and try another timing light.
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tbear853 - yes, I'm reasonably confident the 71k miles is original.
Wow ... that's OK. I bought my '77 in 1986 with 35,000 and .... I thought that was "low miles" ... it got used some earlier in my ownership but since the early 2000s I cut way back on use, though since retiring and taking a PT job I do drive her some more (my career then was as a state LEO which meant I walked to work for 31+ years) .... so she still only has 104,000 miles.

If my buddy "Brownie" at the local auto machine shop where he's been over 35 years is right, you may start noticing a oil pressure drop. If you do, don't push it, just drop the panhard bar and pan and pull a rod cap and a main cap and have a look at the lower main shell and upper rod shell.

In fall of 1992 I had just changed oil and serviced my truck, and even used some "Slick 50" for once.

Then come October of 1992 and I was offered a recently rebuilt Shopsmith for just $225 by my wife's brother which covered the cost of new larger 1.5hp motor and speed adjusting quill by the local Shopsmith store there and so we took a trip to Muscadine, Al. from here in Virginia and the truck had fine oil pressure when we left .... but down near Chatsworth, Ga .... I noticed it dropped. Motor sounded OK, I thought "bad sender" .... swapped new sender in and still low. Motor sounded OK, I though "bad gage". Drove on through Rome and down through western Ga., spent weekend, drove to Atlanta Raceway for Richard Petty's last race and to see Alan Kulwicki win the 1992 Championship and Bill Elliott win the race (Alan held on to lead long enough to "lead most laps" by a lap and that 5 points gave him the Championship .... he was a thinker) .... and then on Monday, loaded up a Shopsmith Mk 5 and all accessories and wife and our dog and luggage and headed home via the Smokies and I made Bristol by dark, came up I'81 over 200 miles at 65 mph with CC set, still near no oil pressure, and no unusual noises.

Tuesday, slipped a mechanical oil pressure gage in place, had 4psi. FOUR PSI. Jacked truck, let frt axle hang, dropped PH bar and pan and pulled a main and rod cap. Lower side main shell was really badly worn, upper shell of rod was some copper. Crank looked "OK", I took shells to Ford parts, they could not tell me size by part numbers on back.

I went to local machine shop, Brownie looked and I told him my tale of woe" and he asked "how many miles", and when I told him .... he said most 351ms were about due at 75,000 in his experience. He said 400s not so much .... but that he'ld just seen it a lot with the 351ms .... leading me to think it's a balance issue with 351Ms Worn mains drop pressure, and so rod shells start wearing then. Just my theory (I know, some 351ms go way past 75,000 miles).

Brownie then measured thickness of shells at side where they don't wear, looked in book he had, I had std rod and main bearings. I bought new bearings, some fine crocus cloth, oil, filter, and new HV oil pump and gaskets. I did one shell at a time, doing the mains frt to back, slip old out, polish journal, clean with strip of cloth, slip oiled new shell in, attach cap, torque, go to next one ..... did all 8 rod sets too. New oil pump in, pan on, sealed up, that at 75,000 miles.

I just hoped she'ld last 6 months and so I built a 400 short block. I had burnt a valve a few months earlier and had come across a great set of freshly redone heads with 16 new guides and 8 new exhaust valves so plan was to reuse them. 22 years later and she still holds 50+ psi with 20W50 in summer at 65 mph with 31/10.50-15 and 3.50 gears. 400 is still on stand, all new, still waiting in basement.
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