Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Misc. > Towing, Trailers & 5th Wheels
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Towing, Trailers & 5th Wheels SPONSORED BY:

Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 07-05-2003, 12:06 AM
anglerx anglerx is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 2
anglerx is starting off with a positive reputation.
Question 2003 Expedition towing capacity: 4.6 vs. 5.4

What is true difference in towing capacity for '03 Expedition with 4.6L vs. 5.4L engines (for 4x2 models)? Would I need a weight-distributing hitch (WDH) at lower weights for the 4.6 than the 5.4?
(1) Expedition brochure shows 5000 for 4.6 and 8950 for 5.4.
(2) Ford towing brochure shows several things:
(a) 6,050 for 4.6 and 8,900 for 5.4; and
(b) in another section, 6,000 w/o WDH, and 8,900 w/ WDH, with NO DISTINCTION for different engine sizes. My luck calling Ford for similar clarification in the past was unsuccessful (A: "Please ask Dealer"). Dealer was less than helpful today.
Assuming difference is about 6,000 vs. 8,900, what causes the difference? Is is something besides the 0.8L displacement increase? I have a loaded boat + trailer (towed infrequently) that goes about 6,000 and might want to get the 4.6L to keep from having to spend $2000+ to get the next higher model. Any explanations? Thanks in advance for any help you might have.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-05-2003, 03:19 AM
Colossus Colossus is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Oak Harbor WA
Posts: 1,437
Colossus is starting off with a positive reputation.
2003 Expedition towing capacity: 4.6 vs. 5.4

Ask them to see if you can haul your boat on the test drive. Then make your decision.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-15-2003, 06:11 PM
anglerx anglerx is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 2
anglerx is starting off with a positive reputation.
Thumbs down 2003 Expedition towing capacity: 4.6 vs. 5.4

Thanks, Collosus, but boat and dealer are far apart, and I'm not sure I could tell in a short test whether the 4.6 was overloaded or not.

Ford help line still unhelpful; anyone with expertise would be appreciated. Ford said they needed a VIN; otherwise, policy prevented them from disclosing towing capacity. Called back later with VIN, then they said "Research" could help only if I was the owner. Told them I was trying to make a buying decision based on towing capacity. Then they said Research would call me within 10 business days but no promises ... Tough way to sell cars. All I want to know is the towing capacity, with and without weight distributing hitch, for 4.6 and 5.4 models, and why there's a difference. Would also be nice but not critical to know what the cryptic "properly equipped" wording means.

Still hoping...
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-15-2003, 08:25 PM
dtpatt2 dtpatt2 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
Posts: 505
dtpatt2 is starting off with a positive reputation.
2003 Expedition towing capacity: 4.6 vs. 5.4

How big of boat? If in doubt, get the 5.4L. If you are towing something substantial, get the biggest, powerfullest you can afford...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-16-2003, 01:16 PM
jschira jschira is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Arlington, TX USA
Posts: 3,424
jschira is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
2003 Expedition towing capacity: 4.6 vs. 5.4

Anything over 5000 lbs., you will want a WD hitch.

Amen to what was said above. When towing, there is no such thing as too much HP or torque. Get the nastiest engine that you can.
__________________
63 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon
10 F250 Lariat 6.4L
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-17-2003, 01:48 PM
robc10x robc10x is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4
robc10x is starting off with a positive reputation.
2003 Expedition towing capacity: 4.6 vs. 5.4

I have found the 5.4L to be barely adequate for towing anything over 4-5k lbs. It does fine on the flats, but loaded w/gear in the back as well as a trailer struggles in the mountains. Nothing too bad, but i've been at 4grand and barely able to maintain 55, but it's something I can live with.

If you tow a reasonable amount, spring for the 5.4.

Rob
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-18-2003, 03:06 PM
ClydeSDale's Avatar
ClydeSDale ClydeSDale is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 834
ClydeSDale is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
2003 Expedition towing capacity: 4.6 vs. 5.4

For the difference in fuel mileage the 5.4 would be the obvious choice if you're going to do any towing to speak of.
__________________
Roger


Clyde S Dale, Camper Pulling Workhorse
1984 F250HD XLT RCLB 4X2 8600 GVW 460 ^Timing C6 Track-loc 4.10's
Trailer Towing/Camper Pkg K&N in/DynoMax out All synth fluids, fully temp gauged
4-core HeatbusteR radiator, dual OE plate type tranny coolers 74,000 original miles (and counting)
ClydeSDale Photo Album
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-23-2003, 10:52 PM
RickM RickM is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 5
RickM is starting off with a positive reputation.
2003 Expedition towing capacity: 4.6 vs. 5.4

ACtually,, the butt gears makes more difference than .8 liter. 3.73`s will pull 1500 more lbs than the 3.55`s
but yea.. add the wd hitch. I did with my 5200 lb boat/trailer and it made a big difference. tow rig has a 5.0l
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-27-2003, 02:09 AM
proudcelt proudcelt is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 5
proudcelt is starting off with a positive reputation.
Thumbs down

Have an 02 SuperCrew with the 5.4 and just towed a 6000 LB trailer from AZ to WA. On the flats of Utah and Nevada it was ok, and mileage was around 9. As soon as I hit any grades at all it was like an asthmatic old woman and mileage dropped to 6. I have added a K&N FIPK and Gibson exhaust. Not sure I could have climbed some of the mountains in Oregon and Washington if I hadn't.

If you're going to tow over 5000 Lbs for ANY distance and over ANY hills, scrap the Expedition and buy a crew cab SuperDuty with the PowerStroke. You'll have more power than you need as well as a truck that is DESIGNED to tow and haul. Expeditions were designed to haul kids to soccer and groceries to the house. Another thing of note is the overall strength of frame and suspension when towing. Again, the tremendous strain placed on the tow vehicle is what the SuperDuty was designed for. Over 5000 Lbs you should ALWAYS use a load leveling hitch of some sort, and hopefully your boat trailer is equipped with surge brakes. Remember, when you're towing there's a big red sign on the front of your rig that invites every idiot on the road to pull in front of you and hit their brakes.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-27-2003, 02:13 AM
Colossus Colossus is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Oak Harbor WA
Posts: 1,437
Colossus is starting off with a positive reputation.
FIPK's are junk. They just let hot air get into the engine.

I live in Washington, and that's why I won't have anything less than a 7.5L 460.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-27-2003, 10:50 PM
proudcelt proudcelt is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 5
proudcelt is starting off with a positive reputation.
Colossus, I agree with you for your truck. However, try this. Get a straw and try to breath through it while you are running up hill. That's what the new engine designs coming out of Detroit are like. The FIPK has added noticeable power and mpg increase for my '02 5.4L. Gotta compare apples to apples.

BTW, I'd give my eye teeth if Ford would start selling a truck with a good ole high cube engine like they used to build. Had a '77 F350 with the 460 and a granny gear, and that thing could pull your house up the side of a mountain at idle.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-29-2003, 07:00 PM
dtpatt2 dtpatt2 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
Posts: 505
dtpatt2 is starting off with a positive reputation.
proudcelt,
I agree with the FIPK. Colossus is right about the hot air, but even if it's hot air, it's getting a crap load more than what it was. I had a '99 Expy, put on a FIPK and the engine was a different engine. The thing wasn't gasping for air anymore.

Back to the question, the 5.4L would handle a 5k boat, but the problem is, in my opinion, the suspension. I towed a 2250l. boat with mine and it was a stinkin yoyo in the back. Definitely get some sort of air bags or something that will help stiffin the ride when hauling the boat...
Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2003, 07:00 PM
 
 
 
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Towing a TT with 2011 Expy & 536 package joeyo67 2007 - 2014 Expedition & Navigator 12 02-01-2012 02:52 PM
Towing docgj 2009 - 2014 F150 21 03-31-2011 07:17 PM
Weight Distributing Hitch - suggestions! VigII 2009 - 2014 F150 21 09-17-2010 08:22 PM
Towing Boat with 2003 Expedition scott123456 Towing, Trailers & 5th Wheels 3 06-01-2003 10:21 PM
Towing w/Expedition irvan01 Expedition & Navigator 18 07-20-2002 04:40 PM


Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Misc. > Towing, Trailers & 5th Wheels

Tags
1999, 2000, 2003, 46, 46l, 54l, boat, capacity, expedition, ford, ratings, tow, towing, vehicle, vs

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup