1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel  
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: DP Tuner

Gelling issues.Simple solution.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 01-08-2014, 04:52 AM
dn29626's Avatar
dn29626
dn29626 is offline
Cargo Master
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 2,500
Received 13 Likes on 8 Posts
Gelling issues.Simple solution.

You can add RUG (regular unleaded gasoline) to help control gelling, and it might be the best "anti-gel" additive available.
I have done this off and on for years. These trucks handle 20% RUG easily.

Me, I only use debit card pumps. Put 8 gallons of diesel, then 2 gallons of RUG, done. ( If you need more fuel--do the numbers.)

Disclaimer. Do this at your own risk.
 
  #2  
Old 01-08-2014, 07:24 AM
HKusp's Avatar
HKusp
HKusp is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Perry Hall, Maryland.
Posts: 7,760
Received 26 Likes on 20 Posts
Respectfully...NO NO NO NO...NO NO NO NO...DO NOT DO IT...unless you want to have to put new injectors in your truck.


Mixing Gasoline And Diesel

Gasoline and alcohols hit diesel fuel right where it hurts the most. Those light thin fuels will lower the cetane number and lubricity. To explain how octane and cetane DO NOT work together, I�ll have to review more crude oil and fuel fundamentals.

The light distillates that gasolines are made from have a natural high-octane index. The middle distillates that diesel fuels come from have a high cetane index. The octane and cetane indexes are INVERSE scales. A fuel that has a high octane number has a low cetane number, and a high cetane fuel has a low octane number. Anything with a high octane rating will retard diesel fuel�s ability to ignite. That�s why each fuel has developed along with different types of engine designs and fuel delivery systems. Gasoline mixed in diesel fuel will inhibit combustion in a diesel engine and diesel fuel mixed in gasoline will ignite too soon in a gasoline engine.

Gasoline will raise the combustion temperature. This might or might not reduce carbon deposits in the cylinder. This also might or might not overheat the injector nozzle enough to cause coking on the nozzle. That�s a clogged injector tip in layman�s terms. The fuel being injected is the only thing that cools the nozzle. Diesel fuel has a lower combustion temperature than gasoline. The fuel injectors depend on the fuel burning at the correct rate and temperature for a long life. If the combustion temperature is raised long enough, the gums and varnishes in gasoline will start to cook right in the fuel injector and turn into carbon. These microscopic carbon particles will abrade the nozzle. High combustion temperatures alone will shorten fuel injector life, gasoline makes the problem worse.

Gasoline and alcohols do have an anti-gel effect on diesel fuel, but these fuels are too thin and will hurt the lubricity. Alcohols work as a water dispersant in small amounts, but also attract water in large amounts. Diesel fuel is already hydrophilic (attracts water) so why add to the problem. The old timers got away with this because high sulfur diesel fuel had enough lubricity to take some thinning. Today�s low sulfur diesel fuels have adequate lubricity, but I wouldn�t put anything in the tank that would thin out the fuel, reduce lubricity, or attract water.
 
  #3  
Old 01-08-2014, 08:35 AM
F250_'s Avatar
F250_
F250_ is offline
Hotshot
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Looking towards Greenvill
Posts: 11,224
Received 203 Likes on 108 Posts
Someone needs to rep Jason for his post above (I can't right now). Excellent response! Clear and to the point!!

David, I suspect you've gotten away with what you've been doing because the ULSD fuel has not been around long enough yet for you to see injector damage, but it WILL come, and will come EARLIER than it should. Your use of VO is also in your favor, but still, "the check is in the mail".
 
  #4  
Old 01-08-2014, 08:42 AM
Supercab's Avatar
Supercab
Supercab is offline
Lead Driver

Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Palm Bay, Florida
Posts: 5,259
Received 26 Likes on 18 Posts
-Why not just get a proper anti-get agent that is made for use in Diesel engines and add before any chance of gelling happens.
4 years ago it was in the mid-teens in Ocala, Florida for many hours between 2 days at a car show I regularly attend up there and I added anti gel agent to my fuel when I filled up before leaving temps in the 70s headed there.

People that put any type of gasoline, transmission fluid, and even the 2 cycle oil into a Diesel engine are strictly asking for trouble down the road.

Sorry Guys.
 
  #5  
Old 01-08-2014, 09:05 AM
Cell's's Avatar
Cell's
Cell's is offline
Senior User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Milton,Ont,Can.
Posts: 172
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I sent reps to Jason for the insight .
 
  #6  
Old 01-08-2014, 10:43 AM
HKusp's Avatar
HKusp
HKusp is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Perry Hall, Maryland.
Posts: 7,760
Received 26 Likes on 20 Posts
No need to rep me. All I did was look up the article and post some of the highlights. Thank you though.
 
  #7  
Old 01-08-2014, 11:30 AM
F250_'s Avatar
F250_
F250_ is offline
Hotshot
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Looking towards Greenvill
Posts: 11,224
Received 203 Likes on 108 Posts
We all know that the reps aren't necessary, Jason, but just like you, we like to show public appreciation for good help in a way that it also reflects well on you to those members who may not know you as well some of us do.
 
  #8  
Old 01-08-2014, 01:18 PM
HKusp's Avatar
HKusp
HKusp is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Perry Hall, Maryland.
Posts: 7,760
Received 26 Likes on 20 Posts
I appreciate it Pete, and I want David to know, I am certainly not trying to troll him or be disrespectful in any way. Just trying to get accurate information out there, that's all. I'd hate to see someone damage their injectors and cost themselves thousands of dollars.
 
  #9  
Old 01-08-2014, 01:57 PM
tjc transport's Avatar
tjc transport
tjc transport is offline
i ain't rite
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Marlboro Mental Hospital.
Posts: 61,003
Received 3,117 Likes on 2,174 Posts
this was true 35 years ago when diesels were mechanical and the tolerances were not as tight as things are with todays engines.

way back when i used to mix 25% gas to diesel in my detriot diesels in the winter.
even with my 1988 7.3 diesel, i would not worry if the juice jockey put the gas nozzle in my tank as long as i caught it rite away.
3-4 gallons of gas mixed with 15 -16 gallons of diesel i would just run it with no problems.

but i would never ever do it with a powerstroke. if they put gas in the tank, they are draining the tanks and refilling with diesel before i turn the key to start it.
 
  #10  
Old 01-08-2014, 04:33 PM
Ponyboychris's Avatar
Ponyboychris
Ponyboychris is offline
Hit it!
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Centennial CO
Posts: 6,707
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by F250_
We all know that the reps aren't necessary, Jason, but just like you, we like to show public appreciation for good help in a way that it also reflects well on you to those members who may not know you as well some of us do.
Well said. I repped him anyway.
 
  #11  
Old 01-08-2014, 05:58 PM
dn29626's Avatar
dn29626
dn29626 is offline
Cargo Master
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 2,500
Received 13 Likes on 8 Posts
..........
 
  #12  
Old 01-08-2014, 06:16 PM
dn29626's Avatar
dn29626
dn29626 is offline
Cargo Master
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 2,500
Received 13 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by HKusp

Mixing Gasoline And Diesel

... Gasoline and alcohols do have an anti-gel effect on diesel fuel, but these fuels are too thin and will hurt the lubricity. Alcohols work as a water dispersant in small amounts, but also attract water in large amounts...
As i said "anti-gel effect".

Do what you want. I am aware of lots of info, pro and con.
I am like a turtle, i am not afraid to stick my neck out to see what will work and what will not.

As for the injectors, i am on my originals and running great. How many of you can say that after driving it for going on 13 years?

I am not upset with anyone. We just may not agree.
 
  #13  
Old 01-08-2014, 06:27 PM
tjc transport's Avatar
tjc transport
tjc transport is offline
i ain't rite
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Marlboro Mental Hospital.
Posts: 61,003
Received 3,117 Likes on 2,174 Posts
my 02 has 185,000 miles on the original injectors.
 
  #14  
Old 01-08-2014, 06:28 PM
dn29626's Avatar
dn29626
dn29626 is offline
Cargo Master
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 2,500
Received 13 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by F250_
...David, I suspect you've gotten away with what you've been doing because the ULSD fuel has not been around long enough yet for you to see injector damage, but it WILL come, and will come EARLIER than it should. Your use of VO is also in your favor, but still, "the check is in the mail".
I invite you to predict either the number of years i will operate or the number of miles that will be on my truck when "it" WILL arrive.
 
  #15  
Old 01-09-2014, 12:34 PM
F250_'s Avatar
F250_
F250_ is offline
Hotshot
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Looking towards Greenvill
Posts: 11,224
Received 203 Likes on 108 Posts
Originally Posted by dn29626
I invite you to predict either the number of years i will operate or the number of miles that will be on my truck when "it" WILL arrive.

I appreciate your clarification about not being upset, and applaud you for that. There have been many before you who were provoked by a lot less.

I am neither stupid nor arrogant enough to predict your injector life in either years or miles... it would be absurd. My comments are from an engineering perspective and are based on comparison information and a bit of time spent reviewing research studies related to diesel fuel lubricity pre- and post-ULSD availability. Like I said earlier, your use of VO will certainly help delay injector damage. Regardless, when you look at your use of VO either with or without the use of RUG as a winter additive, your injectors will live longer without the RUG. How long?... no one can really say.
 


Quick Reply: Gelling issues.Simple solution.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:09 PM.