1999 to 2016 Super Duty 1999 to 2016 Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Starting issues below freezing

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 12-18-2013, 06:44 AM
Zant's Avatar
Zant
Zant is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Starting issues below freezing

I have an 02 250 5.4. 103,000 miles. My truck at random times will not start in below freezing temps. Turns over just fine but Acts as if a frozen fuel line. I can get it running by pouring hot water on the fuel rail or a shot of starting fluid or sometimes both. It's been going on about 3 or 4 weeks now and I have ran through 4 bottles of dry gas with about 15 gallons each time. Also have replaced fuel filter and fuel pressure regulator. I'm 99.9% positive the pump is working and there are no leaks in the lines or holes in tank that I can see. My next step is to drop the tank and clean it out but trying to avoid that. Anyone have any ideas
 
  #2  
Old 12-18-2013, 06:48 AM
redford's Avatar
redford
redford is offline
Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Stephensville WI
Posts: 23,085
Received 1,565 Likes on 913 Posts
Welcome to FTE Zant.

What is your fuel pressure at idle?
 
  #3  
Old 12-18-2013, 07:15 AM
Zant's Avatar
Zant
Zant is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have no idea. But once it is started and warmed up and running it runs perfectly fine. If the temp is above 40 I have no issues. Below 40, after the pump cycles there is what sounds like a pressure release blow off sound by the fuel rail, but I can't tell exactly where this sound comes from
 
  #4  
Old 12-18-2013, 07:33 AM
Zant's Avatar
Zant
Zant is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Also I do not have a gauge/tester. Will a tire pressure gauge work?
 
  #5  
Old 12-18-2013, 11:17 AM
BigOl04's Avatar
BigOl04
BigOl04 is offline
Senior User
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Derby, ks
Posts: 192
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Zant
Also I do not have a gauge/tester. Will a tire pressure gauge work?

Sorry but no you cant use a tire pressure gauge to test your fuel pressure.. Go to your local auto parts store and you can rent a tester.. They only run about 20 bucks.. Redford asks because he wants to see what the pressure is when the key is on and when its running to see if you have bleed bye..
 
  #6  
Old 12-18-2013, 11:19 AM
BigOl04's Avatar
BigOl04
BigOl04 is offline
Senior User
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Derby, ks
Posts: 192
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
one more question.. when you hear that "blow off" sound does the engine bay smell like fuel.. is so check your "O" rings on the injectors.. also look for fuel pooling or squiriting while the truck is running
 
  #7  
Old 12-18-2013, 12:27 PM
Zant's Avatar
Zant
Zant is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There are no leaks at all anywhere in the fuel system that I can see. And no smell of gas. I will have to go get a gauge so I can read the pressure.
 
  #8  
Old 12-19-2013, 04:16 PM
Zant's Avatar
Zant
Zant is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Update on the blow off sound. Since it warmed up today I was able to get someone to turn the key while I listened and that sound actually seems to be coming from the (fuel vapor canister) between the air box and fender. And I no longer think it is a blow off it sounds more like a vibrating inhale gasp. Almost like a short fast snore. Still have not yet gotten a gauge to check pressure. my wife is spending all the money on Xmas.
 
  #9  
Old 12-19-2013, 06:35 PM
redford's Avatar
redford
redford is offline
Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Stephensville WI
Posts: 23,085
Received 1,565 Likes on 913 Posts
Try repeating that test with the gas cap removed and see if the sound goes away. Just a hunch, but you may have a fuel tank venting issue.
 
  #10  
Old 12-19-2013, 08:10 PM
Zant's Avatar
Zant
Zant is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Tried it with the gas cap off and still getting the exact same noise.
 
  #11  
Old 12-19-2013, 08:57 PM
bubbasz1's Avatar
bubbasz1
bubbasz1 is offline
Cargo Master
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Redford, Mi.
Posts: 2,022
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
I used to get the purge noise all the time with my 2001v10, never paid no never mind.
Sounds like a sticky IAC on the starting issue.
Next time it does it give it some gas when it doesn't want to start, if it starts and starts to idle after a while if it's an Idle Air Control(IAC) valve.
You can take them off and try cleaning it.
 
  #12  
Old 12-20-2013, 05:58 AM
Zant's Avatar
Zant
Zant is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It hasn't been starting for 4 days now. Any combination of pushing the gas pedal has no effect. When it sets for a little while it will start up for about 3 seconds and then stalls. Then it will not refire no matter how much cranking or cycling the pump. Let it sit and it fires up for another 3 seconds.
 
  #13  
Old 12-28-2013, 03:07 PM
Zant's Avatar
Zant
Zant is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ok just got the pressure checked. Zero across the board at the rail. But you can still hear the pump run in the tank
 
  #14  
Old 12-28-2013, 05:41 PM
BigOl04's Avatar
BigOl04
BigOl04 is offline
Senior User
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Derby, ks
Posts: 192
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sounds like a clogged fuel filter or bad pump..just because the pump runs doesn't mean it's getting the needed pressure to run..
 
  #15  
Old 01-18-2014, 07:54 PM
Zant's Avatar
Zant
Zant is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Replaced the pump and every thing seams to be fixed.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Shawn Paris
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
12
08-02-2016 10:56 PM
bvillarreal186
2.6, 2.8, 2.9, 4.0 & SOHC 4.0 V6
4
10-24-2015 08:56 PM
F Truck08
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
9
08-29-2011 04:33 AM
Kirtgan
Excursion - King of SUVs
2
12-01-2010 10:19 AM
Reticle
Modular V10 (6.8l)
6
10-28-2010 11:06 AM



Quick Reply: Starting issues below freezing



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:13 PM.