1990 10 lug F450 woes!
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10-11-2013, 08:28 PM
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10-11-2013, 11:41 PM
thank you for the link, but replacement parts are so much less expensive and easier to find for the 98-04 stuff and im not a fan of adapters. ive run them before without issue but on smaller trucks. Also the rear 5.13 was sold already.
its coming along rather quickly now. getting another cab and nose monday for parts and modifying.
thanks
Ron
its coming along rather quickly now. getting another cab and nose monday for parts and modifying.
thanks
Ron
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the reason we give advice like this is because we are rite, and that VIN decoder is wrong.
just because people call something, that does not mean they are correct.
ford never made a F-450 before 1999
what FORD called the trucks:
just because people call something, that does not mean they are correct.
ford never made a F-450 before 1999
what FORD called the trucks:
- F-150: 1/2 ton (6,250 lb GVWR max)
- F-250: light-duty 3/4 ton (7,700 lb GVWR max)
- F-250HD: 3/4 ton (8,800 lb GVWR max)
- F-350: 1 ton (11,000 lb GVWR max)
- F-Super Duty: Class 4 truck (15,000 lb GVWR max)
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11-05-2019, 04:52 PM
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It's "The truck in which has a 15k GVWR, known today as the F450". 
Yeah I'm sure if Ford could go back in time, they would of done things differently and stuck with the simplistic approach and called their next truck up from the F350, the F450 when they introduced this rig back in 1987 as apposed to it's out of norm "F- Super Duty" terminology. Especially considering, they latter used the term (dropping the F) to describe their new F250 and F350 pickup starting in 1999. They offered no F-550 equivalent, however their next trucks up (their medium duty) used the F-series numerical system at the time, making the the "F- Super Duty" the black sheep of the family, even for it's time.
Here's a description I wrote about this truck.
I have one of these (7.3l IDI - E4OD - 5.13 - XLT trim - custom stretch w/ 16' stake body) and every time I work it even after a few years of owning it,I still can't wipe the stupid smile from my face each time I fire her up.
Yeah I'm sure if Ford could go back in time, they would of done things differently and stuck with the simplistic approach and called their next truck up from the F350, the F450 when they introduced this rig back in 1987 as apposed to it's out of norm "F- Super Duty" terminology. Especially considering, they latter used the term (dropping the F) to describe their new F250 and F350 pickup starting in 1999. They offered no F-550 equivalent, however their next trucks up (their medium duty) used the F-series numerical system at the time, making the the "F- Super Duty" the black sheep of the family, even for it's time.
Here's a description I wrote about this truck.
The F-Super Duty 1987-97 (the original super duty prior to '99 pickups) was Fords introduction of the class 4 medium duty truck. It is a commercial cab & chassis 2WD dually only optioned truck.Though a few conversion co's such as (but not limited to) Quigley,did convert some to 4WD.They came with 460 gas engines all through the production run,with the optional 7.3l IDI diesel engine from introduction through '94.Then the optional 7.3l DI (power stroke) diesel from '94.5 - '97.
HD transmission options include both the manual ZF5 and the E4OD automatic.
Cab configurations were standard regular cab only.Though you may come across other options (super cab & crew cab) they were custom built.
Trim options were that of the pickups (XL,XLT).
Known at the time as the "One Ton Plus." It sports a HD frame and the mighty hydroboost brake system with four wheel disc brakes.The beefy sized calipers make stopping the heaviest of loads a very safe and secure truck to work.Though they are 2WD trucks,they are equipped with 4WD transmissions but rather than a transfer case,they come with a drive line parking brake.The driveline brake works great to hold the truck from rolling when parked.However it will do nothing in the event of an emergency rolling down the road (other than burn it's internal shoes up).There is no manual,emergency stopping device so it's of great importance to keep the trucks hydraulic braking system top notch.A HD dana 80 rear axle that came from ford with gear ratio options intended for two purposes; Heavy hauling & towing.They came in various wheelbase lengths with up to a 15,000 LB GVWR.It's widely known as the F-450 equivalent with many auto stores listing parts under either name.
These trucks are easy to identify with their pickup size cabs,yet unique F-Super Duty fender emblems & 10 lug 16" wheels.
Axle code 72 = 4.63
Axle code 73 = 5.13 (Most common)
Axle code G3 = 5.13LS ('96/'97 options.Rare)
HD transmission options include both the manual ZF5 and the E4OD automatic.
Cab configurations were standard regular cab only.Though you may come across other options (super cab & crew cab) they were custom built.
Trim options were that of the pickups (XL,XLT).
Known at the time as the "One Ton Plus." It sports a HD frame and the mighty hydroboost brake system with four wheel disc brakes.The beefy sized calipers make stopping the heaviest of loads a very safe and secure truck to work.Though they are 2WD trucks,they are equipped with 4WD transmissions but rather than a transfer case,they come with a drive line parking brake.The driveline brake works great to hold the truck from rolling when parked.However it will do nothing in the event of an emergency rolling down the road (other than burn it's internal shoes up).There is no manual,emergency stopping device so it's of great importance to keep the trucks hydraulic braking system top notch.A HD dana 80 rear axle that came from ford with gear ratio options intended for two purposes; Heavy hauling & towing.They came in various wheelbase lengths with up to a 15,000 LB GVWR.It's widely known as the F-450 equivalent with many auto stores listing parts under either name.
These trucks are easy to identify with their pickup size cabs,yet unique F-Super Duty fender emblems & 10 lug 16" wheels.
Axle code 72 = 4.63
Axle code 73 = 5.13 (Most common)
Axle code G3 = 5.13LS ('96/'97 options.Rare)
I have one of these (7.3l IDI - E4OD - 5.13 - XLT trim - custom stretch w/ 16' stake body) and every time I work it even after a few years of owning it,I still can't wipe the stupid smile from my face each time I fire her up.
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11-05-2019, 09:36 PM
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Keeping in mind that we are arguing about a 6 year old thread...
I doubt Ford would have done anything different if they could look back. In addition to Superduty they've also recycled the names Ranger (originally a trim level, then a mid-size pickup) and Explorer (originally the name of an option package, then the SUV version of the Ranger). And of course the "II" names (Mustang II, Bronco II). And they're recycling the Bronco name again now.
But Ford has a REALLY long history of this. Henry's first car design was the Model A, his second the Model B, and so on. Most of those models were not commercial successes and many were likely never even made. But after his wildly successful 20th design (the Model T), his 21st design was not called the Model U but, you guessed it, the Model A (or should that have been the Model A II?).
.... Yeah I'm sure if Ford could go back in time, they would of done things differently and stuck with the simplistic approach and called their next truck up from the F350, the F450 when they introduced this rig back in 1987 as apposed to it's out of norm "F- Super Duty" terminology. Especially considering, they latter used the term (dropping the F) to describe their new F250 and F350 pickup starting in 1999....
But Ford has a REALLY long history of this. Henry's first car design was the Model A, his second the Model B, and so on. Most of those models were not commercial successes and many were likely never even made. But after his wildly successful 20th design (the Model T), his 21st design was not called the Model U but, you guessed it, the Model A (or should that have been the Model A II?).
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Yup. Very true and valid points also guys. Call 'em what ya like, just don't call these work horses, lazy.
On a side note though, it is important for owners of these trucks to learn (which doesn't take long,just through the school of hard knocks) that some places of registration and parts stores will call them (though, perhaps not technically correct) an F450. Sellers, may also be listing under either name too, so for when looking to buy one, search for both names. Right, wrong or indifferent, they'll forever be known as the dual labeled trucks.
On a side note though, it is important for owners of these trucks to learn (which doesn't take long,just through the school of hard knocks) that some places of registration and parts stores will call them (though, perhaps not technically correct) an F450. Sellers, may also be listing under either name too, so for when looking to buy one, search for both names. Right, wrong or indifferent, they'll forever be known as the dual labeled trucks.
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