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Old 07-27-2012, 05:45 PM
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Personally, I'm glad to hear of someone doing this with a 6.0! While most of us here use our trucks for work or pulling an RV, folks with the budget and know-how to build a truck like that give all of us some valuable insight into where some performance gains can be made (and where the weak spots are-lol).
Is this just for fun or are you building it for competition? Either way, good luck with it and keep us posted on your progress.

P.s. Sorry I can't be much help on the fuel question.
 

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Originally Posted by npccpartsman
Metmop: There are more than a few of us running (or have run) some fairly heavy modifications on the 6.0.
I don't doubt that at all... I was sorta looking at it from the same reason all the super duty threads that start with my 6.0 won't start get transferred here. Not to say the peeps in this forum don't know their stuff (they do or I wouldn't read em)... was more thinking of the odds. So i suggested he duplicate the post in the offroad forum. I suppose that is a hanging offense around here


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Originally Posted by max4hdmatt
Yea 700 hp is a round about number. at the wheel its probably around 550 at most. its actually belongs to a good buddy of mine and i have seen the whole life of the truck and its been taken care of. it runs fine with the oem. but you gotta drive it like an 80 year old grandma or it will blow injectors after a couple months. so its sounds like after doing some research im going to need a bigger fuel pump and regulated return? correct me if im wrong. i also appreciate the information everyone.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:40 PM
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Fulthrotl.. its got everything you just said minus a fuel pump and regulated return. those are the only two things it doesnt have.
 
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Originally Posted by max4hdmatt
Fulthrotl.. its got everything you just said minus a fuel pump and regulated return. those are the only two things it doesnt have.
well, $1,500 will get you there, then. airdog II and the regulated return i mentioned earlier..... have fun....
 
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I do appreciate the help. if you dont mind me asking is there anything wrong with the airdog raptor? havent been able to check out the airdog II. is there much of a difference between the 2 pumps?
 
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I do appreciate the help. if you dont mind me asking is there anything wrong with the airdog raptor? havent been able to check out the airdog II. is there much of a difference between the 2 pumps?
no fuel defoamer stage.... there are video's that show the defoaming....
it seems the oem setup does reasonably ok with removing entrained air,
but not at huge flow rates.... now, if you are pushing 150 gph thru filters,
you are filtering the whole tank of fuel 6 times an hour. the regulated return
makes sure that you get a constant stream of fuel, without suspended air,
so the injectors get a nice gulp.... running a 6.0 out of fuel can break
injectors, obviously, and if the fuel system can't keep up, its the same as
just running the tank out..... no fuel is no fuel.
 
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:43 PM
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So if i read correctly its better to go with the airdog II rather than the airdog raptor because the airdog II is regulated?
 
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Originally Posted by max4hdmatt
So if i read correctly its better to go with the airdog II rather than the airdog raptor because the airdog II is regulated?
well, i don't have either one, but in reading endless posts on 6.0's,
they seemed to have some pretty serious reliability issues with the
airdog II, and zero problems with the airdog. dunno if that has gotten
worked out or not.... start googling....

i was looking at one from the standpoint of cleaning the fuel really well,
and eliminating the air from the fuel, and my mechanic pointed out that
the OEM stuff works pretty well, and doesn't have reliability issues,
and it's not another $700 or whatever the one you pick costs.....

if i was in your situation, i'd do the regulated return, then get a pressure
gauge on the fuel rails, and get some real world pressure readings at
different throttle settings, and SEE if your pressure is tanking, and at
what point it goes too low..... most of the 500+ hp club has regulated return
on the checklist... then you don't just puke money away.

might be interesting to see if the oem pump could keep up......

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do the return first. it'll prevent the starving of the one cylinder
that sucks hind teat, literally.

the regulated return has the pressure regulator after the fuel
rails, and an unpressurized drain back to the tank.... and the
pump just circulates endlessly....... this way you get a constant
pressure AT the injector..... cause the pump pressure is regulated
after you are done with the fuel.
 
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:24 PM
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Make sense. i think ill just get both to make sure that i got both areas covered. also whats this blue spring mod that im seeing alot about on here?
 
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Originally Posted by max4hdmatt
Make sense. i think ill just get both to make sure that i got both areas covered. also whats this blue spring mod that im seeing alot about on here?
about $60 for the part, but it's replaced when you do the regulated
return, so if you are doing RR... ignore it... for what it's worth,
it's probably been done already... you'd be in a world of hurt with
big injectors and low rail pressure.
 
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Sounds good to me. now im ready to just get the parts and put them on. ill have time anyway being as i dont get my license back for another month.
 
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