dyed diesel
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#4
Not sure about warranty issues, but there are definitely leagal issues to consider. I'm sure each state is different, but here is what I found for Virginia:
Is there a penalty for unlawful use of dyed diesel fuel?
Yes. The civil penalty is a minimum of $1,000 or $10 per gallon of fuel, based on the maximum storage capacity of the tank(s). Penalties are charged on the propulsion tanks of the vehicle as well as on any storage tanks on the vehicles. Penalties can also be charged on the storage tank at the farm if that was the source of the dyed fuel found in the vehicle. (Va. Code §58.1-2265(B))
Any person who refuses to allow an inspection or collection of a fuel sample is subject to a $5,000 penalty for each refusal. If the refusal is for a vehicle fuel sample collection, the penalty is assessed to the registered owner of the vehicle. If the refusal is for a sample to be taken from any other storage tank or container, the penalty will be payable by the owner of the storage tank or container. (Va. Code § 58.1-2267)
A person may be charged with a Class 6 felony if he or she uses dyed diesel fuel for a use that he or she knows or has reason to know is a taxable use of the fuel. Penalties can be charged if a person sells dyed diesel fuel to someone who the seller knows or has reason to know will use the fuel for a taxable purpose. If the amount of fuel is less than 20 gallons, the person may be charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor. (Va. Code § 58.1-2273(7))
A person who attempts to alter the strength or composition of any dye or dye marker in any dyed diesel fuel may be charged with a Class 6 felony. (Va. Code § 58.1-2273(8))
Is there a penalty for unlawful use of dyed diesel fuel?
Yes. The civil penalty is a minimum of $1,000 or $10 per gallon of fuel, based on the maximum storage capacity of the tank(s). Penalties are charged on the propulsion tanks of the vehicle as well as on any storage tanks on the vehicles. Penalties can also be charged on the storage tank at the farm if that was the source of the dyed fuel found in the vehicle. (Va. Code §58.1-2265(B))
Any person who refuses to allow an inspection or collection of a fuel sample is subject to a $5,000 penalty for each refusal. If the refusal is for a vehicle fuel sample collection, the penalty is assessed to the registered owner of the vehicle. If the refusal is for a sample to be taken from any other storage tank or container, the penalty will be payable by the owner of the storage tank or container. (Va. Code § 58.1-2267)
A person may be charged with a Class 6 felony if he or she uses dyed diesel fuel for a use that he or she knows or has reason to know is a taxable use of the fuel. Penalties can be charged if a person sells dyed diesel fuel to someone who the seller knows or has reason to know will use the fuel for a taxable purpose. If the amount of fuel is less than 20 gallons, the person may be charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor. (Va. Code § 58.1-2273(7))
A person who attempts to alter the strength or composition of any dye or dye marker in any dyed diesel fuel may be charged with a Class 6 felony. (Va. Code § 58.1-2273(8))
#5
No it won't void your warranty. It is not illegal to use Red/Dyed/Off-road diesel. It is only illegal to use it on public roads.
Red diesel is EXACTLY the same as standard Diesel #2 now days. It's all the same. ULSD as required by law. There was a time where ULSD was required on road and LSD was still legal for off road use, and this WOULD void your warranty if your truck was 2007 or newer. But that was then and this is now.
No, red diesel won't void your warranty. Sure someone at the dealer might try to tell you that to get out of warranty work, but just throw facts in their face and they'll cave.
Red diesel is EXACTLY the same as standard Diesel #2 now days. It's all the same. ULSD as required by law. There was a time where ULSD was required on road and LSD was still legal for off road use, and this WOULD void your warranty if your truck was 2007 or newer. But that was then and this is now.
No, red diesel won't void your warranty. Sure someone at the dealer might try to tell you that to get out of warranty work, but just throw facts in their face and they'll cave.
#6
And yes. Anything other than regular highway diesel fuel will void your warranty. And yes ford has a way of telling if you run " alternative" diesel. My uncle owns an excavating company and his driver "accdently" was running off road fuel in the boss's 2011 F450 (for about 10,000 miles) destroying the HPFP and all 8 injectors. Even after the system was drained they said they will no longer be honoring the vehicles warranty. Also every vehicle was inspected for off road fuel used in Road vehicles and was fined 2,500.00. So don't do it. It's illegal across all 50 states for road use
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#8
There was only a short period of time in late 2006/ early 2007 that ULSD was the mandated on-road and off-road fuel was given a grace period to comply. But that truly only effected communities that are more or less cut-off from civilization.
For the most part most distributors were compliant as of September 1st 2006 and were mandated to switch by October 15th.
ONLY ULSD since early 2007. A red dye isn't going to harm anything. In case you didn't realize on-road diesel has it's own dye, usually green.
Josh
#9
I've been in Montana for a month and so far I've seen two fuel inspection stations on the highway. I've also heard radio ads while I've been here warning of all the trouble you'll catch if you use it on the highway.
I don't know about the warranty aspect, but isn't dye and ag use restrictions the only thing different from diesel bought at the pumps?
I don't know about the warranty aspect, but isn't dye and ag use restrictions the only thing different from diesel bought at the pumps?
#10
There are two issues:
Will dyed diesel harm the fuel system? No not any more as stated above it is all ULSD and has been for quite a while.
Does Ford have a policy that if they see red fuel has been used and the fuel system fails they deny the warranty? From what I have read on here and other sources this seems to be true and I believe it stems to the early days of red NON ULSD where they may have had a valid point, now they just haven't updated the policy and/or don't know any better.
Will dyed diesel harm the fuel system? No not any more as stated above it is all ULSD and has been for quite a while.
Does Ford have a policy that if they see red fuel has been used and the fuel system fails they deny the warranty? From what I have read on here and other sources this seems to be true and I believe it stems to the early days of red NON ULSD where they may have had a valid point, now they just haven't updated the policy and/or don't know any better.
#11
Also, off-road is also tax free for those that use it as home heating fuel.
Josh
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#13
Yep. Death and taxes.
Although the sanctions on dyed-fuel was lifted after Hurricane Katrina to help during clean-up and re-integration of those areas effected by the disaster.
It's like the property taxes for my house. 90% of it goes to schools. I don't have children....
Well, that's how it goes.
Josh
Although the sanctions on dyed-fuel was lifted after Hurricane Katrina to help during clean-up and re-integration of those areas effected by the disaster.
It's like the property taxes for my house. 90% of it goes to schools. I don't have children....
Well, that's how it goes.
Josh
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