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Old 05-27-2015, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BruteFord
Clearly a blown head gasket or cracked head. I've always wondered but never tried, if in that situation filling the cooling system with(waste) oil would help. It would work as a coolant, won't boil, no worries about it mixing, etc.. Sounds like you might be up for trying?
We are pretty sure it's the head gasket - not worth the trouble fixing. Your idea would be interesting to try. I wonder how long the water-become-oil-pump would last. It would probably be a good idea to at least strain the waste oil before putting it in.

I didn't think the oil cooling properties would be nearly as good as water and a quick google search yielded the following:

Pros and Cons to using oil as coolant - Yesterday's Tractors

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"I have heard that some farmers were using oil in the cooling system instead of water. I can see several advantages to this, along with some drawbacks. Here is what I can think of:Pros:
No rust in the water jacket and radiator.
No freezing and busting of the block.
If you have a cracked block, you don't trash your oil and engine by having water in the oil.
Water pumps stay lubricated.
Cons:
Possibly slower heat transfer to oil than water.
Water boils to remove heat, oil does not, so maybe overheating.
Radiator hoses degrade in contact with hot oil.
Thermosyphon may be slow with thick oil in winter.
Radiator leaks will leave oily spots that don't evaporate.

I'm sure others have views on this. Suggestions? Ideas?"


"The specific heat of oil is about one third that of water. The same amount of heat will therefore raise the temperature of oil 3 times that of water.
The rate of heat transfer from the engine to the coolant is proportional to temperature difference between the engine and the coolant. At the same coolant circulation rate, the oil will be hotter than water and therefore the heat tansfer rate to the oil will be lower. The engine will therefore run ALOT hotter with oil coolant to transfer the same heat generated by the combustion.
One BTU of heat will raise the temperature of one pound of water one degree F while oil will heat up 3 degrees F. If the water heats from 90 to 200 deg F, the oil will heat to 420 deg F. Based on some approximations, yout engine metal parts will run at least 80 to 100 deg F hotter (probably worse).
Also:
1) The maximum temperature of water entering the engine is limited by the radiater pressure. If it is veneted, the maximum temperature is limited to 212 deg F. Oil on the other hand can get to 400 deg F or more.
2) Oil is lighter than water so your water pump, while circulating the same volume (actually less with oil due to higher viscosity), will ciculate about 20% less pounds per minute than with water.
Looks to me like you may reduce cooling side corrosion at the expense of burnning your engine up. Try it and let us know how long it takes to burn up the engine."
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 05:13 PM
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Finally getting to work on the storm shelter. Rain has been killing us. We are to the point that rain would wash the sealer off of the walls and mud kept falling in and cleaning it up really slowed things down. But here's the progress. Laying the curtain drain pipe in...
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Old 05-27-2015, 05:34 PM
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What are all those wall's with no doors ? no open space down there , also No Pressure treated bottom plate or at least red wood? we would have Termite city , look's like a fun job though are you going to grout the block cells?
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 05:39 PM
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Please keep the pictures of the construction coming........
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 06:36 PM
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What are all those wall's with no doors ? no open space down there , also No Pressure treated bottom plate or at least red wood? we would have Termite city , look's like a fun job though are you going to grout the block cells?
Those will come out. They are just temporary to hold the form for the 8" of concrete until it sets up. Then it will be open except for the stairs. They go in the hallway looking side. The block cells will have rebar and filled with concrete. The rebar will be bent to go over into the floor. I'll get pics when we do it. The cabin is slowly coming along, rain is killing us. I'll get pics of it when I get back to it.
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 06:37 PM
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Please keep the pictures of the construction coming........
Will do Roy!
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by grasfarmr73
We are pretty sure it's the head gasket - not worth the trouble fixing. Your idea would be interesting to try. I wonder how long the water-become-oil-pump would last. It would probably be a good idea to at least strain the waste oil before putting it in.

I didn't think the oil cooling properties would be nearly as good as water and a quick google search yielded the following:
All true, however your 'overheating in a mile' isn't actually overheating. It's flash boiling from the combustion gasses being blown into the coolant and flash boiling it. Oil wouldn't do that. Yes oil is a less efficient coolant but it's better then boiling out the water. Also well used conventional oil can be quite thin. I'd never do this long term but you could get a lot more out of what's left of that car.
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kla94
Those will come out. They are just temporary to hold the form for the 8" of concrete until it sets up. Then it will be open except for the stairs. They go in the hallway looking side. The block cells will have rebar and filled with concrete. The rebar will be bent to go over into the floor. I'll get pics when we do it. The cabin is slowly coming along, rain is killing us. I'll get pics of it when I get back to it.
OH I gotcha, temp for the poured floor , sweet You going to need a sump in there ?
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 04badford
What are all those wall's with no doors ? no open space down there , also No Pressure treated bottom plate or at least red wood? we would have Termite city , look's like a fun job though are you going to grout the block cells?
I knew some one would ask cus they didnt see the previous pics, LOL........

well done Kman............
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 08:47 PM
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OH I gotcha, temp for the poured floor , sweet You going to need a sump in there ?
Not sure. The concrete may not come out of the cute since it's kinda high.
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 08:48 PM
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I knew some one would ask cus they didnt see the previous pics, LOL........

well done Kman............
Thanks GIGGER, we try really hard to do it right.
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 09:13 PM
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All we can do is try our best right, thx for the info
 
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Old 05-27-2015, 09:29 PM
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All we can do is try our best right, thx for the info
My uncle is very particular.!?
 
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Oh-oh! Family job...........

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Old 05-28-2015, 02:27 AM
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Yup, that's exactly what I was thinking while watching.

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