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Old 06-05-2011, 09:35 PM
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03 F250 No Trailer Lights

So we were on our way home from the race track Saturday night. We got pulled over from the Indiana State Police for not having any trailer lights. We have brake lights, turn signals, hazards....just no running lights. I checked for corrosion at the plug and it had a little on it but filed it and still nothing...

Using a test light I checked our truck side...all works on the 7 pin except the running lights...I went to the next junction in the harness to the next plug in...all works except the running lights.

I obviously checked all fuses under the drivers side dash area...and found nothing...even pulled every fuse to see if there was an unlabled fuse blown...found my cigarette lighter was blown...didnt know that one!

My question is when I did searches online and on this forum for similar issues people were talking about trailer relays or another fuse box...does this apply to an 03 f250? Everything I found was on an older truck or the F150.

Also if there is anyone that has had this issue how was it fixed...I am not a whiz when it comes to tracing wiring issues and cant get much further than I got...next step is dropping the spare to see whats behind it.
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Old 06-05-2011, 09:58 PM
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You should have a second fuse box under the hood. That's where most of the trailer stuff happens. My '99 E-350 has one, as does my '08 F250. I'm guessing your '03 will have one as well. Good luck.
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You should have a second fuse box under the hood. That's where most of the trailer stuff happens. My '99 E-350 has one, as does my '08 F250. I'm guessing your '03 will have one as well. Good luck.
I don't think so Warrior. I own an 02 V10 and work a 02 7.3L and neither of them have underhood boxes. The older 2000 that I work with does, but both 02s have it under the dash.

If I remember correctly there are 3 or 4 main fuses that correspond to trailer lighting. One of them was a running light fuse.
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yea...only one fuse box that I can find...nothing under hood...unless im not looking in the right spots???? All fuses are good.
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Old 06-06-2011, 02:31 AM
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I also have trailer fuses under the hood in a seperate box from the main fuse box. ('99 F350)

I also just had problems with this earlier this year. I had a broken wire just before the plug under the bed. It was very subtle and looked like it was pulled apart.
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2002-2004 trucks don't have a Power Distribution Box under the hood like previous and later trucks do. All the fuses are in the Central Junction Box, except for the PCM power fuse and some relays, which are in small auxiliary boxes.

To the OP, I would look up in your owner's manual and find the right fuse, then make sure you're checking with a continuity meter. If that doesn't work, find the relay and see what it's condition is.
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Sorry, my bad. There I go, confirming the "assume" philosophy. Good luck with your quest.
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I have a crazy problem too. None of my trailer lights are working at all. The trailer charge is working, as are the brakes, just no lights.
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No Running Light Power to Trailer Connector

I'm stuck! I'm trying to solve a similar problem, and get my trailer ready for camping in two weeks.

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Checked out the trailer wiring by connecting a battery charger to each of the appropriate wires in the tow cable. Brakes, turn signal and running lights all lit up just fine.

Now turned my attention to the truck. Put a 12 volt probe on each connector contacts. turn signal (pin 5 & 6), brakes (pin 2), 12 V aux (pin 4), etc.. all work fine when I probe the connector on the back of the truck. However, there was no power on pin 3 for the running lights.

All fuses are good: Checked fuse 38 ("Trailer tow park lamps and backup lamps"), fuse 115 ("trailer tow battery charge") I'm thinking of buying a new relay 305 ("trailer tow battery charge relay") for ~$16 just to try something. I did have to replace fuse 115 a couple months ago when I first pulled the trailer out of storage. Also was having intermittent brakes, but found that one of the ground wires wasn't making good contact, but that's now fixed.

One thing that's odd is that I probed the socket for fuse 38, and it always has 12 volts, even when the lights are off.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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One thing that's odd is that I probed the socket for fuse 38, and it always has 12 volts, even when the lights are off.
It is supposed to.

Have you checked the function of the relay on the CJB for the running lamps?
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How can I test the relay? The owners manual mentions a couple trailer relays: relay #305, but it's called the "trailer tow battery charge relay" Is this the one?

Also #6 the fuse panel is the "trailer tow turn/stop relay", but this doesn't sound like the one you're referring to either...

I look forward to your reply!

In the mean time, I'm going to try to find the schematic today and try to locate another relay in the circuit. From other posts I see that there is a chance that the relay you're referring to is embedded in the fuse box and isn't serviceable. Sure looking forward to testing it somehow.

PS: What does "CBJ" stand for? ("Circuit Junction Box"?) I assume this is what's also referred to as the fuse panel?

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Central Junction Box. Yes, the relay is integral to the CJB and is not separately serviceable. You'd have to either replace the whole CJB or wire an external relay around it.
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I had a very similar problem that I fought for quite some time. Ended up being a fuse (can't remember which one right now). It required more than an eyeball test. I had to test them all with a multimeter. I found that the fuse was not making good contact in its socket. It was not burned out just not making good contact. I put a little twist in the fuse and it has been fine for nearly 2 years now. Pull your multimeter out and test every fuse with it in the socket. That will allow you to wiggle them around and make sure they are all making good contact.
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My 2000 F250 has two fuse locations, on under driver side dash, and the one to the right of the master cylinder. All of the trailer stuff is run in the one under the hood.


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I don't think so Warrior. I own an 02 V10 and work a 02 7.3L and neither of them have underhood boxes. The older 2000 that I work with does, but both 02s have it under the dash.

If I remember correctly there are 3 or 4 main fuses that correspond to trailer lighting. One of them was a running light fuse.
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Central Junction Box. Yes, the relay is integral to the CJB and is not separately serviceable. You'd have to either replace the whole CJB or wire an external relay around it.
1) Does anyone know how to test this relay?

2) I have not had a chance to search for the schematics online... due to working. Does anyone have a quick link to the 2002 Ford F250 schematic.

3) Any tips on pulling the Central Junction Box?

I'm going to do it as soon as I get home from work this afternoon.

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