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Old 10-25-2010, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KC8QVO
Ah. Thermodynamics. Bingo. There is a way to squeeze out more efficiency of combustion engines. The hard part is those methods of doing it are so advanced it is cost prohibitive. If regulations change and the advanced technologies are forced on automakers then the cost will settle down after the initial hit. Like DEF - once its mainstream, ie - not "rare", the cost goes down. Ceramics will go a long way towards thermodynamics. I am sure there are other options too.
I already posted a picture that shows 10 years old German technology in turbos for engines.
The compressor wheel that powers over 200 hp engine hides behind US quarter. Thanks to light turbo weight and 200,000 rpm the engine has no noticeable turbo lag.
How small is the latest turbo coming from Ford?
Fact that 200 hp German diesel engine can be lifted by single person, while Ford's equivalent needs a forklift speaks for itself even farther.
Top it with the fact that many German parts in this country are cheaper than coming from Ford.
 
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
I already posted a picture that shows 10 years old German technology in turbos for engines.
The compressor wheel that powers over 200 hp engine hides behind US quarter. Thanks to light turbo weight and 200,000 rpm the engine has no noticeable turbo lag.
How small is the latest turbo coming from Ford?
Fact that 200 hp German diesel engine can be lifted by single person, while Ford's equivalent needs a forklift speaks for itself even farther.
Top it with the fact that many German parts in this country are cheaper than coming from Ford.
That leads one to question why the Germans haven't made trucks in the SD classes... Although no one really drives big heavy vehicles in Europe other than the commercial sector, which are still smaller/fewer (by a long shot) than here in the states. A VW TDI sure won't pull 8000lbs, let alone a couple thousand without a problem. Its sort of the reverse of the 5.4L in a SD - the frame will take it but the engine has to rev way up and is a dog....
 
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
I already posted a picture that shows 10 years old German technology in turbos for engines.
The compressor wheel that powers over 200 hp engine hides behind US quarter. Thanks to light turbo weight and 200,000 rpm the engine has no noticeable turbo lag.
How small is the latest turbo coming from Ford?
Fact that 200 hp German diesel engine can be lifted by single person, while Ford's equivalent needs a forklift speaks for itself even farther.
Top it with the fact that many German parts in this country are cheaper than coming from Ford.
which 200hp ford diesel engine are you talking about?
the 2011 6.7l is 400hp... a LOT of difference.

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One thing I have seen in the works is finding ways of making heavy vehicles more fuel efficient by finding wasted motion.

In the example I saw an engineer had figured out how to run the alternator off of the shock absorbers. The up and down motion was more than adequate to spin a turbine hooked to an alternator and keep the batteries charged, even on smooth roads. You WILL see this technology on medium and heavy trucks in the next 5 years or so.
 
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One thing I have seen in the works is finding ways of making heavy vehicles more fuel efficient by finding wasted motion.

In the example I saw an engineer had figured out how to run the alternator off of the shock absorbers. The up and down motion was more than adequate to spin a turbine hooked to an alternator and keep the batteries charged, even on smooth roads. You WILL see this technology on medium and heavy trucks in the next 5 years or so.
And during idling or stop and go traffic?
 
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I guess you have to ride around with fat chicks. Get em bouncing, and you're good to go.
 
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With the road situation here in w PA my truck could make enough power to light the entire neighborhood. Best, CB
 
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And during idling or stop and go traffic?
According to the engineers, normal driving was more than enough to keep the batteries fully charged.

These bumpy @ss roads around here would probably end up overcharging.
 
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I doubt it's going to be double. If you're only pulling half the train you're only pulling half the freight and by extension half the load. You only need half the equipment and fuel costs will go down as well. Naturally there would be certain fixed costs that wouldn't change (to a point) if you were pulling one car or 10, but it's doubtful costs would double.
You got my point though.......
 
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