Ford's NEW 6.7 Power Stroke CCV box tested on the SuperFlow Bench - Final Debate
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I am going to purchase the SPE CCV box next year and run it with my CCR catch can. If the bolts that came with the Mishimoto catch can system do not work (?? >> may be too short but probably should be good), as they are longer than the stock bolts that were used for the factory CCV box due to the spacers under the stock box, then I'll buy my own allen head bolts to fit. I like that you can take it apart to inspect it and clean if need be.
When I emailed them in the past on the past when this system first came out, they recommended NOT to use with any other manufacturer's products, when I told them about the Mishimoto catch can I had in...
When I emailed them in the past on the past when this system first came out, they recommended NOT to use with any other manufacturer's products, when I told them about the Mishimoto catch can I had in...
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the shoot out video had the ford new ccv box beat everything else in actual intended use which was to evacuate crank case pressure..even beat the spe box.
this video is pitching a test that does not represent any characteristics of real world use....
and SPE still says the little gizzmo is a filter which it is not....
but in all fairness...the spe box came close in the shoot out but when you compare the price of the spe box (400) and the new for box (about 90 bucks) why would I pay 4 times as much for a second place product.
this video is pitching a test that does not represent any characteristics of real world use....
and SPE still says the little gizzmo is a filter which it is not....
but in all fairness...the spe box came close in the shoot out but when you compare the price of the spe box (400) and the new for box (about 90 bucks) why would I pay 4 times as much for a second place product.
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The SPE video has a couple inconsistencies. The flow tester displayed vacuum as inH2O (0.036 psi per inch water), but the captions said inHg (0.49 psi per inHg). 26 inHg is nearly 13psi! Talking about comparing to real world conditions and variations between engines, 13psi is way off the chart. Having said that, I’m pretty sure inHg was an error, and they were testing at 26 inH2O. Even so, the TechnicianRed video was getting measurements in the 5 inH2O range, so SPE’s testing was still off scale. My guess is the flow difference between the Ford and SPE CCV’s at less than 5 inH2O is comparable. In my mind the ideal CCV maintains low crankcase pressure, which I think TechnicianRed did a great job testing, AND separates the oil and returns it somewhere other than the intake, which TechnicianRed tried to qualitatively measure (unfortunately without success). I’m not entirely sure how to interpret the SPE test, other than it says nothing about how well their CCV manages crankcase pressure (they don’t use a vacuum regulator like the Ford, which is a negative), and they don’t compare the efficiency of separating out the oil from the crankcase gas.
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I still like the SPE box and being able to it take apart, yeah not effing cheap though, to see what happening inside on the stainless screen and how well my CCR is removing oil and crap out of the intake stream. BUT, that said, I am now also thinking of buying the new current CCV box, installing that and then carefully cutting open my old box to A) see what was happening inside and B) could it be modified inside to allow for more flow and less restriction THEN be glued back together with the automotive epoxy that my buddy uses in his collision shop, NOW that I'm THINKING MORE about this.
This is definitely doable IMO because I have a pretty efficient design in the Improved Racing CCR catch can and if the flow could be made to flow right through my old box... hmm... my gears turning now.
This is definitely doable IMO because I have a pretty efficient design in the Improved Racing CCR catch can and if the flow could be made to flow right through my old box... hmm... my gears turning now.
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what would be interesting to understand is a few glimpse we had to an even newer CCV box which has a air hose attached to it assuming to be from the map area...what does that positive jet stream of air do...does it feed some type of vacuum venturi to increase the vacuum in the engine....because...if we can maintain a certain level of vacuum the resulting pressure drop would lower the boiling point of entrap fuel and water helping the evacuation of those fluids.
as far as the spe box goes...once the concept of the map air driven newer ccv box is understood the spe box would probally be easy to adapt to accept some type of venturi ....45 degree hole...tap the hole with threads...install a fitting...connect to the map to obtain positive pressure.
as far as the spe box goes...once the concept of the map air driven newer ccv box is understood the spe box would probally be easy to adapt to accept some type of venturi ....45 degree hole...tap the hole with threads...install a fitting...connect to the map to obtain positive pressure.
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I'm thinking I am at the place where I'm going to shop for the cheapest price on the latest gen CCV box, install it and eff around with my old box to get it apart, mod it to improve flow through it since the drain port is blocked off by the Mishimoto spacer it's sitting on. Plus I am curious to see what's inside of it because the Mishimoto can was nowhere as efficient as the CCR can collects more of the blowby crap than the Mishimoto can did. There has to be stuff at the bottom of the drain port in my old box.
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SPE came out with this flow test to rebuttal the ccv shoot out video in which spe was second to the latest version ccv.
the shoot out video has various ccv things installed and the test artist used a vaccume guage mounted to the crank case to measure actual crank case pressure. The latest ccv from ford out performed all the other ccv’s.
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I just watched that video... as someone who is still undecided about what I want to do with my CCV on my truck, this video was interesting (but IMO, not as good or informative as Red's). I still have the SPE delete and catch can kit, but it's packed up in FL since I wasn't going to chance running it here in CA. So, for now I installed a new 23+ Ford CCV box on my truck. When I get back to FL (or just leave this state) I will decide if I want to go forward with the delete kit, or bite the bullet and get this SPE recirculation kit (in which case I would have to try and sell the delete kit!) I like all the things that Overkill is doing on his truck... but he usually goes over my head with this stuff and I want to keep it simple! lol... Anyway, I noticed a lot of the comments on the video were likely from SPE fanboys, so I will likely get gassed over my (lengthy) comment, but I hope that SPE actually responds and answers my questions. I don't claim to really understand everything abut a CCV well, but hey, I am learning... So, for more conversation here, here is my comment. Feel free to correct me where I am wrong, and help me understand what I do not know!
A couple of questions:
1. At 17:34 (in the video) you said:
I just wanted to clarify if the Ford box you are running in this video is indeed a brand new, never installed or used CCV box? By your wording I am trying to understand if you are just comparing 2 brand new boxes, or if you are saying that the first time you ran this test you used a brand new box, but this box in this video is not brand new.
2. I am trying to understand why SPE decided not to include the CDR valve regulator on the recirculating box. Honestly, if the CDR was on the SPE box, I would have bought your box a couple of months ago hands down, but ended up going with the Ford OE box instead. I would like to understand why SPE decided it was not necessary.
3. So, maybe a silly question, but you are showing vacuum pressures pulling from the intake side, but how does this translate to handling crank case pressures coming from the crank case side?
4. This is more of a thought... I like that you taped off most of the mesh at the end, but I wonder is that a true apples to apples comparison of when the entire mesh screen starts to become coated in oily vapor and residue, like in real-world conditions? Sure, the parts taped off were completely blocking air flow, however, the part remaining was still completely new, unobscured mesh. In real world use, the entire screen is covered, some parts maybe more than others, but there will be no pristine section of mesh to allow completely unobstructed air to flow through. Unfortunately, the tape will not mimic this at all, and I don't see how it actually draws any sort of useful conclusion.
When it comes to bench test vs real world test, it's not hard to understand that there is indeed almost infinitely more variables that absolutely will come into play. However, I do believe that both tests and understandings are valuable information to have at hand, and while the real world test can yield many different results due to many different, and changing variables, I do typically tend to lean towards real world testing for more real-use data, as opposed to what a product can do on a bench when all conditions are set up perfectly and in the most optimal situations. (This is also my reason for question #1, was the Ford box in this video completely new and unused?)
Red did a great job with his video. He ran all brand new CCV boxes on the same truck, back to back. So while that truck is indeed not my truck, this information does indeed give me an idea of what these products will do when they are the best they can be (new) and how to expect that they will immediately perform in the exact same real world situations, on a real truck as opposed to a bench. Don't take this comment the wrong way. I am not trying to dog SPE, I am simply trying to understand. As I mentioned above, I almost bought this SPE recirculating box a few months ago, but went with the new Ford OE box instead (which I wouldn't say is "a pile of crap" - clearly it's not the best option, but it's better than their previous versions, and has tested better than the SPE box in real world use). Some back story here, I had actually just bought the SPE CCV delete and catch can kit, however, I ended up having to come to CA for a year. Due to the ridiculous restrictions in this state, I decided to store the delete kit for now, but still wanted to swap out the CCV in my truck since it was almost 4 years old. The lack of the CDR valve on the SPE kit pushed me to the Ford CCV box. When I get back to FL I want to go ahead and put the delete kit on, but I am still thinking hard on this SPE recirculating CCV instead. I am not sure if I want to deal with smoke or smell from the delete kit, and I love that I can easily clean this filter and would not have to worry about replacing the actual box again. But, I worry about the absence of the CDR valve...
Would love for someone from SPE to respond and answer these questions. Thanks!
Thoughts?
A couple of questions:
1. At 17:34 (in the video) you said:
"which initially, I believe on the very first box that we did that had never been ran for 23, I want to say it was about 33 in that ballpark. So, we're right there. It's about the same."
2. I am trying to understand why SPE decided not to include the CDR valve regulator on the recirculating box. Honestly, if the CDR was on the SPE box, I would have bought your box a couple of months ago hands down, but ended up going with the Ford OE box instead. I would like to understand why SPE decided it was not necessary.
3. So, maybe a silly question, but you are showing vacuum pressures pulling from the intake side, but how does this translate to handling crank case pressures coming from the crank case side?
4. This is more of a thought... I like that you taped off most of the mesh at the end, but I wonder is that a true apples to apples comparison of when the entire mesh screen starts to become coated in oily vapor and residue, like in real-world conditions? Sure, the parts taped off were completely blocking air flow, however, the part remaining was still completely new, unobscured mesh. In real world use, the entire screen is covered, some parts maybe more than others, but there will be no pristine section of mesh to allow completely unobstructed air to flow through. Unfortunately, the tape will not mimic this at all, and I don't see how it actually draws any sort of useful conclusion.
When it comes to bench test vs real world test, it's not hard to understand that there is indeed almost infinitely more variables that absolutely will come into play. However, I do believe that both tests and understandings are valuable information to have at hand, and while the real world test can yield many different results due to many different, and changing variables, I do typically tend to lean towards real world testing for more real-use data, as opposed to what a product can do on a bench when all conditions are set up perfectly and in the most optimal situations. (This is also my reason for question #1, was the Ford box in this video completely new and unused?)
Red did a great job with his video. He ran all brand new CCV boxes on the same truck, back to back. So while that truck is indeed not my truck, this information does indeed give me an idea of what these products will do when they are the best they can be (new) and how to expect that they will immediately perform in the exact same real world situations, on a real truck as opposed to a bench. Don't take this comment the wrong way. I am not trying to dog SPE, I am simply trying to understand. As I mentioned above, I almost bought this SPE recirculating box a few months ago, but went with the new Ford OE box instead (which I wouldn't say is "a pile of crap" - clearly it's not the best option, but it's better than their previous versions, and has tested better than the SPE box in real world use). Some back story here, I had actually just bought the SPE CCV delete and catch can kit, however, I ended up having to come to CA for a year. Due to the ridiculous restrictions in this state, I decided to store the delete kit for now, but still wanted to swap out the CCV in my truck since it was almost 4 years old. The lack of the CDR valve on the SPE kit pushed me to the Ford CCV box. When I get back to FL I want to go ahead and put the delete kit on, but I am still thinking hard on this SPE recirculating CCV instead. I am not sure if I want to deal with smoke or smell from the delete kit, and I love that I can easily clean this filter and would not have to worry about replacing the actual box again. But, I worry about the absence of the CDR valve...
Would love for someone from SPE to respond and answer these questions. Thanks!
Thoughts?
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I just watched that video... as someone who is still undecided about what I want to do with my CCV on my truck, this video was interesting (but IMO, not as good or informative as Red's). I still have the SPE delete and catch can kit, but it's packed up in FL since I wasn't going to chance running it here in CA. So, for now I installed a new 23+ Ford CCV box on my truck. When I get back to FL (or just leave this state) I will decide if I want to go forward with the delete kit, or bite the bullet and get this SPE recirculation kit (in which case I would have to try and sell the delete kit!) I like all the things that Overkill is doing on his truck... but he usually goes over my head with this stuff and I want to keep it simple! lol... Anyway, I noticed a lot of the comments on the video were likely from SPE fanboys, so I will likely get gassed over my (lengthy) comment, but I hope that SPE actually responds and answers my questions. I don't claim to really understand everything abut a CCV well, but hey, I am learning... So, for more conversation here, here is my comment. Feel free to correct me where I am wrong, and help me understand what I do not know!
A couple of questions:
1. At 17:34 (in the video) you said:
I just wanted to clarify if the Ford box you are running in this video is indeed a brand new, never installed or used CCV box? By your wording I am trying to understand if you are just comparing 2 brand new boxes, or if you are saying that the first time you ran this test you used a brand new box, but this box in this video is not brand new.
2. I am trying to understand why SPE decided not to include the CDR valve regulator on the recirculating box. Honestly, if the CDR was on the SPE box, I would have bought your box a couple of months ago hands down, but ended up going with the Ford OE box instead. I would like to understand why SPE decided it was not necessary.
3. So, maybe a silly question, but you are showing vacuum pressures pulling from the intake side, but how does this translate to handling crank case pressures coming from the crank case side?
4. This is more of a thought... I like that you taped off most of the mesh at the end, but I wonder is that a true apples to apples comparison of when the entire mesh screen starts to become coated in oily vapor and residue, like in real-world conditions? Sure, the parts taped off were completely blocking air flow, however, the part remaining was still completely new, unobscured mesh. In real world use, the entire screen is covered, some parts maybe more than others, but there will be no pristine section of mesh to allow completely unobstructed air to flow through. Unfortunately, the tape will not mimic this at all, and I don't see how it actually draws any sort of useful conclusion.
When it comes to bench test vs real world test, it's not hard to understand that there is indeed almost infinitely more variables that absolutely will come into play. However, I do believe that both tests and understandings are valuable information to have at hand, and while the real world test can yield many different results due to many different, and changing variables, I do typically tend to lean towards real world testing for more real-use data, as opposed to what a product can do on a bench when all conditions are set up perfectly and in the most optimal situations. (This is also my reason for question #1, was the Ford box in this video completely new and unused?)
Red did a great job with his video. He ran all brand new CCV boxes on the same truck, back to back. So while that truck is indeed not my truck, this information does indeed give me an idea of what these products will do when they are the best they can be (new) and how to expect that they will immediately perform in the exact same real world situations, on a real truck as opposed to a bench. Don't take this comment the wrong way. I am not trying to dog SPE, I am simply trying to understand. As I mentioned above, I almost bought this SPE recirculating box a few months ago, but went with the new Ford OE box instead (which I wouldn't say is "a pile of crap" - clearly it's not the best option, but it's better than their previous versions, and has tested better than the SPE box in real world use). Some back story here, I had actually just bought the SPE CCV delete and catch can kit, however, I ended up having to come to CA for a year. Due to the ridiculous restrictions in this state, I decided to store the delete kit for now, but still wanted to swap out the CCV in my truck since it was almost 4 years old. The lack of the CDR valve on the SPE kit pushed me to the Ford CCV box. When I get back to FL I want to go ahead and put the delete kit on, but I am still thinking hard on this SPE recirculating CCV instead. I am not sure if I want to deal with smoke or smell from the delete kit, and I love that I can easily clean this filter and would not have to worry about replacing the actual box again. But, I worry about the absence of the CDR valve...
Would love for someone from SPE to respond and answer these questions. Thanks!
Thoughts?
A couple of questions:
1. At 17:34 (in the video) you said:
I just wanted to clarify if the Ford box you are running in this video is indeed a brand new, never installed or used CCV box? By your wording I am trying to understand if you are just comparing 2 brand new boxes, or if you are saying that the first time you ran this test you used a brand new box, but this box in this video is not brand new.
2. I am trying to understand why SPE decided not to include the CDR valve regulator on the recirculating box. Honestly, if the CDR was on the SPE box, I would have bought your box a couple of months ago hands down, but ended up going with the Ford OE box instead. I would like to understand why SPE decided it was not necessary.
3. So, maybe a silly question, but you are showing vacuum pressures pulling from the intake side, but how does this translate to handling crank case pressures coming from the crank case side?
4. This is more of a thought... I like that you taped off most of the mesh at the end, but I wonder is that a true apples to apples comparison of when the entire mesh screen starts to become coated in oily vapor and residue, like in real-world conditions? Sure, the parts taped off were completely blocking air flow, however, the part remaining was still completely new, unobscured mesh. In real world use, the entire screen is covered, some parts maybe more than others, but there will be no pristine section of mesh to allow completely unobstructed air to flow through. Unfortunately, the tape will not mimic this at all, and I don't see how it actually draws any sort of useful conclusion.
When it comes to bench test vs real world test, it's not hard to understand that there is indeed almost infinitely more variables that absolutely will come into play. However, I do believe that both tests and understandings are valuable information to have at hand, and while the real world test can yield many different results due to many different, and changing variables, I do typically tend to lean towards real world testing for more real-use data, as opposed to what a product can do on a bench when all conditions are set up perfectly and in the most optimal situations. (This is also my reason for question #1, was the Ford box in this video completely new and unused?)
Red did a great job with his video. He ran all brand new CCV boxes on the same truck, back to back. So while that truck is indeed not my truck, this information does indeed give me an idea of what these products will do when they are the best they can be (new) and how to expect that they will immediately perform in the exact same real world situations, on a real truck as opposed to a bench. Don't take this comment the wrong way. I am not trying to dog SPE, I am simply trying to understand. As I mentioned above, I almost bought this SPE recirculating box a few months ago, but went with the new Ford OE box instead (which I wouldn't say is "a pile of crap" - clearly it's not the best option, but it's better than their previous versions, and has tested better than the SPE box in real world use). Some back story here, I had actually just bought the SPE CCV delete and catch can kit, however, I ended up having to come to CA for a year. Due to the ridiculous restrictions in this state, I decided to store the delete kit for now, but still wanted to swap out the CCV in my truck since it was almost 4 years old. The lack of the CDR valve on the SPE kit pushed me to the Ford CCV box. When I get back to FL I want to go ahead and put the delete kit on, but I am still thinking hard on this SPE recirculating CCV instead. I am not sure if I want to deal with smoke or smell from the delete kit, and I love that I can easily clean this filter and would not have to worry about replacing the actual box again. But, I worry about the absence of the CDR valve...
Would love for someone from SPE to respond and answer these questions. Thanks!
Thoughts?
And truthfully, I have no clue about these things either.
The guys who do a CCV reroute don't have to worry about excessive oil in the intake air charge because they reroute obviously...
I just don't want to have to crawl under my truck to empty a reroute catch can... the CCR can I have is about 90% efficient at filtering oil out of the blowby gases.. I'm good with that...
The only reason I liked the SPE box is it can be disassembled and inspected.
As to the latest CCV box, I came across info on XDPs website that recommended 30k to 40k miles service interval for them.
Lots of info here
https://www.dieselhub.com/service/6....troke-ccv.html
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Those are the same reasons that I like their recirculating kit too... ease of removing the filter and cleaning it and reusing it. I wasn't sure what the life expectancy of the OE CCV filters are, but I figure that they should be changed out often, which IMO also justifies the costs of the SPE kit vs OE kit. I paid around $125 for the 23+ CCV filter after shipping, so after 3 OEM filters the cost even's out.
Honestly, I sorta hate that I have spent over $500 on their delete kit and the catch can considering I still don't know what I really want to do. However, I will likely go ahead and install it when I get back to FL, but I am preparing myself to very likely want to switch it out if I start seeing or smelling smoke.
I dunno... lol! I have wondered and been back and forth more about the CCV than I have anything else so far on my truck!
Honestly, I sorta hate that I have spent over $500 on their delete kit and the catch can considering I still don't know what I really want to do. However, I will likely go ahead and install it when I get back to FL, but I am preparing myself to very likely want to switch it out if I start seeing or smelling smoke.
I dunno... lol! I have wondered and been back and forth more about the CCV than I have anything else so far on my truck!
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Those are the same reasons that I like their recirculating kit too... ease of removing the filter and cleaning it and reusing it. I wasn't sure what the life expectancy of the OE CCV filters are, but I figure that they should be changed out often, which IMO also justifies the costs of the SPE kit vs OE kit. I paid around $125 for the 23+ CCV filter after shipping, so after 3 OEM filters the cost even's out.
Honestly, I sorta hate that I have spent over $500 on their delete kit and the catch can considering I still don't know what I really want to do. However, I will likely go ahead and install it when I get back to FL, but I am preparing myself to very likely want to switch it out if I start seeing or smelling smoke.
I dunno... lol! I have wondered and been back and forth more about the CCV than I have anything else so far on my truck!
Honestly, I sorta hate that I have spent over $500 on their delete kit and the catch can considering I still don't know what I really want to do. However, I will likely go ahead and install it when I get back to FL, but I am preparing myself to very likely want to switch it out if I start seeing or smelling smoke.
I dunno... lol! I have wondered and been back and forth more about the CCV than I have anything else so far on my truck!
That said, I more than likely will order one of the 23 CCV boxes and install. When is anyone's guess... I have lots more going on.
Because I'd really like to cut the top off my original box and see what's in there, oil wise, but photos have already been posted here of one cut open... I can mod mine I'm sure but no way of getting it back open to inspect it to see what collects inside after modding it, cleaning it inside and reinstalling.
But I'm thinking I will buy a latest gen box to run so I can cut open my old one. Then I have 30k to 40k miles to play around with.