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Temp controlled air cleaner problems

Ok so 1977 F250 351M C6 2WD in north east Pennsylvania right now it's 12 degrees outside. I have the original air cleaner looks like but the ACTS, TVS and CWM are all missing. Does anyone have all this stuff that works well that can clue me in to part numbers, sources and what goes where??? I know there's several different color codes and configurations but would be cool to know what works well together in places with similar climates to mine. Truck starts up great but takes forever to warm up and gasses the area while doing so! Thanks in advance
 
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Ok so 1977 F250 351M C6 2WD in north east Pennsylvania right now it's 12 degrees outside. I have the original air cleaner looks like but the ACTS, TVS and CWM are all missing. Does anyone have all this stuff that works well that can clue me in to part numbers, sources and what goes where??? I know there's several different color codes and configurations but would be cool to know what works well together in places with similar climates to mine. Truck starts up great but takes forever to warm up and gasses the area while doing so! Thanks in advance

You said the truck starts up "great" but "takes forever to warm up." What exactly happens after the truck is started? As long as the choke is set correctly, you should not have to sit there and let it warm up for very long. Your truck will warm up faster in one mile of driving than it does sitting at idle for 10 minutes. It is actually better for your engine to get up to operating temperature as soon as possible.

The stock thermostatic air cleaner will definitely help in cold weather conditions. It is also functions as a true "cold air" intake as well, so it will also help when the weather is hot. By keeping the incoming air going into the carburetor at a somewhat consistent temperature, seasonal carburetor adjustments are often no longer needed.

This link may help you to understand how to hook up the stock thermostatic air cleaner and how it works:
http://www.garysgaragemahal.com/air-cleaners.html
 
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You said the truck starts up "great" but "takes forever to warm up." What exactly happens after the truck is started? As long as the choke is set correctly, you should not have to sit there and let it warm up. Your truck will warm up faster in one mile of driving than it does sitting at idle for 10 minutes. It is actually better for your engine to get up to operating temperature as soon as possible.

Read this link about the stock thermostatic air cleaner:
Air Cleaners - Gary's Garagemahal (the Bullnose bible)

The stock thermostatic air cleaner will definitely help in cold weather conditions. It is also functions as a true "cold air" intake as well, so it will also help when the weather is hot. By keeping the incoming air going into the carburetor at a somewhat consistent temperature, seasonal carburetor adjustments are often no longer needed.
Yeah read all that already. Been cramming info for over a year. The flapper in the snorkel works (hooked it up to manifold vacuum so it closed the fresh air and opened the hot air from the exhaust manifold shroud) so just need the air cleaner parts I mentioned to hopefully get everything in sinc. I know need to do some choke massaging but figured it'd be best to get the air cleaner stuff squared away before tackling the choke, ya know? I haven't started it in over a week of cold weather but started great as in one push to set the choke and about 5 seconds cranking and fired right up. Engine runs rough and fast billowing gassy smoke for about a half hour till she'll let me kick her down then runs good for the most part but I still have to drop it to neutral and kick back down a few times till she's at operating temp.
 
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Originally Posted by butcher7788
Ok so 1977 F250 351M C6 2WD in north east Pennsylvania right now it's 12 degrees outside. I have the original air cleaner looks like but the ACTS, TVS and CWM are all missing. Does anyone have all this stuff that works well that can clue me in to part numbers, sources and what goes where??? I know there's several different color codes and configurations but would be cool to know what works well together in places with similar climates to mine. Truck starts up great but takes forever to warm up and gasses the area while doing so! Thanks in advance
Post the basic part numbers of the parts you want, I'll see what may be available.



 
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Post the basic part numbers of the parts you want, I'll see what may be available.



9E607 ACTS
9A995 TVS
9E862 CWM
9E897 I'm guessing delay valve?
9D692 vapor purge? Where's that go to???
Man, emissions control is a real drag!
 
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Originally Posted by LARIAT 85
You said the truck starts up "great" but "takes forever to warm up." What exactly happens after the truck is started? As long as the choke is set correctly, you should not have to sit there and let it warm up for very long. Your truck will warm up faster in one mile of driving than it does sitting at idle for 10 minutes. It is actually better for your engine to get up to operating temperature as soon as possible.

The stock thermostatic air cleaner will definitely help in cold weather conditions. It is also functions as a true "cold air" intake as well, so it will also help when the weather is hot. By keeping the incoming air going into the carburetor at a somewhat consistent temperature, seasonal carburetor adjustments are often no longer needed.

This link may help you to understand how to hook up the stock thermostatic air cleaner and how it works:
Air Cleaners - Gary's Garagemahal (the Bullnose bible)
Already read all that Been cramming info for the past year. Snorkel flapper works (hooked it up to manifold vacuum) with vacuum it seals off fresh air and opens heat air tube from the exhaust manifold stove. Starts great as in after a week of below freezing days, floored the throttle once to set the choke then cranked maybe 5 seconds and it fired up. Runs fast and rough billowing rich smoke till I rev it up a couple times then smooths out but still high rpms for about 20-30 mins before I can kick down to 650ish rpms and stay. After that, I'll drive it but the idle revs up again and I have to drop into neutral and kick back down 5 or 6 times till it's at operating temp and stays around 650 rpms at stops. I know the choke needs some work but figured I'd get the other stuff squared away first before really messing with it, ya know?
 
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Originally Posted by butcher7788
9D692 vapor purge?
9E607 ACTS
9A995 TVS
9E862 CWM
9E897 I'm guessing delay valve?
All the following parts were also used on cars with various engine sizes. I looked 'em up for your 1977 F250 351M non CA emission.

DOAZ-9D692-C .. Fuel Vapor Purge Tube to Air Cleaner Adapter. This is a plastic hose connector that twists into the air cleaner / Obsolete

MUSTANGS ETC. in Van Nuys CA has 1 = 818-787-7634.

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 124 = 800-543-4959.
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D4ZZ-9E607-A (replaced D3ZZ-9E607-A) .. Carburetor Air Cleaner Air Temperature Control Sensor / Obsolete

NOS PARTS SOURCE in Olathe KS has 1 = 913-220-5746.
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D5AZ-9A995-A .. Carburetor Air Cleaner Vacuum Control Valve / Marked: D5AF-9A995-AA / Obsolete

NOS PARTS SOURCE has 1.

GREEN SALES CO. has 2.

NOS PARTS LTD in Waxahachie TX has 3 = 972-937-2201.
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D5DZ-9E862-A .. Carburetor Air Cleaner Temperature Sensor Override Valve / Marked: D5DF-9E862-A / Obsolete

MUSTANG'S ETC. has 1.

NOS PARTS SOURCE has 1.
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D8AZ-9E897-A (replaced D6AZ-9E897-B) .. Air Cleaner Duct Vacuum Control Valve / Marked: D6AE-B1A or D8AE-A1A or A2A / Obsolete

GREEN SALES CO. has 1.

MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS in Binghamton NY has 3 = 607-722-5371.

RPN PARTS in Erie PA has 4 = 888-864-9305.

 
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All the following parts were also used on cars with various engine sizes. I looked 'em up for your 1977 F250 351M non CA emission.

DOAZ-9D692-C .. Fuel Vapor Purge Tube to Air Cleaner Adapter. This is a plastic hose connector that twists into the air cleaner / Obsolete

MUSTANGS ETC. in Van Nuys CA has 1 = 818-787-7634.

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 124 = 800-543-4959.
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D4ZZ-9E607-A (replaced D3ZZ-9E607-A) .. Carburetor Air Cleaner Air Temperature Control Sensor / Obsolete

NOS PARTS SOURCE in Olathe KS has 1 = 913-220-5746.
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D5AZ-9A995-A .. Carburetor Air Cleaner Vacuum Control Valve / Marked: D5AF-9A995-AA / Obsolete

NOS PARTS SOURCE has 1.

GREEN SALES CO. has 2.

NOS PARTS LTD in Waxahachie TX has 3 = 972-937-2201.
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D5DZ-9E862-A .. Carburetor Air Cleaner Temperature Sensor Override Valve / Marked: D5DF-9E862-A / Obsolete

MUSTANG'S ETC. has 1.

NOS PARTS SOURCE has 1.
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D8AZ-9E897-A (replaced D6AZ-9E897-B) .. Air Cleaner Duct Vacuum Control Valve / Marked: D6AE-B1A or D8AE-A1A or A2A / Obsolete

GREEN SALES CO. has 1.

MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS in Binghamton NY has 3 = 607-722-5371.

RPN PARTS in Erie PA has 4 = 888-864-9305.
HOLY CRAP THANK YOU!!!!! Looks like I'll be ordering parts now. Do you know what the hose goes to from the vapor purge tube 9D692? Thanks for the help btw. Been ripping my hair out for months over this stuff!
 
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HOLY CRAP THANK YOU!!!!! Looks like I'll be ordering parts now. Do you know what the hose goes to from the vapor purge tube 9D692? Thanks for the help btw. Been ripping my hair out for months over this stuff!
Purge valve located on charcoal canister, hose routes from nipple on valve to elbow (9D692) on air cleaner.
 
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Purge valve located on charcoal canister, hose routes from nipple on valve to elbow (9D692) on air cleaner.
Hmmmm......not finding a vapor canister on the truck. Is it possible it never had one? Should be in the engine compartment somewhere right? Air cleaner base has a factory-looking turn-in plug where the elbow should go......
 
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Hmmmm......not finding a vapor canister on the truck. Is it possible it never had one? Should be in the engine compartment somewhere right? Air cleaner base has a factory-looking turn-in plug where the elbow should go......
If your truck has the Evaporative Emission system (unleaded fuel, NON vented fuel cap, fuel vapor valve in tank), it has a charcoal canister.

What Ford did if the holes on the sides of air cleaners weren't used, they put tape over the holes. But the tape soon fell off.
 
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If your truck has the Evaporative Emission system (unleaded fuel, NON vented fuel cap, fuel vapor valve in tank), it has a charcoal canister.

What Ford did if the holes on the sides of air cleaners weren't used, they put tape over the holes. But the tape soon fell off.
Right on. Well I crawled under and didn't find anything inside the frame. No lines or clamps or anything on the passenger side and just the one fuel line and brake line in double clamps and rear wire harness inside the frame on the driver's side. I figure if it had an evaporative emission system, someone along the line did a good job of deleting it. So I'm not going to worry about it. Don't have an AIR pump or cat either sooo.....
 
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Evaporative Emission was introduced in 1970, it was mandatory in sold new in CA F100's, Passenger Cars, Bronco's and Econolines.

In 1973, it was also mandatory in sold new in CA F250/350's.

Now, I don't know if any other states mandated it thru 1978 (I live in CA), but by 1979 all 50 states mandated it.

'Course, you don't live in California, you live in Pennsylvania, the road cone capital of the US!!
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Evaporative Emission was introduced in 1970, it was mandatory in sold new in CA F100's, Passenger Cars, Bronco's and Econolines.

In 1973, it was also mandatory in sold new in CA F250/350's.

Now, I don't know if any other states mandated it thru 1978 (I live in CA), but by 1979 all 50 states mandated it.

'Course, you don't live in California, you live in Pennsylvania, the road cone capital of the US!!
Yeah in this county even new cars don't need an emissions inspection just the safety inspection. In PA we believe if the ozone layer had a face, we'd punch it lol
 
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Yeah in this county even new cars don't need an emissions inspection just the safety inspection. In PA we believe if the ozone layer had a face, we'd punch it lol
That's one thing that p!sses me off, CA doesn't require vehicle safety inspections.

People can drive with maypop tires, brakes down to the rivets, loose suspension and steering, burned out bulbs, etc. and CA doesn't give a hoot.

L/A, Orange, Riverside and San Berdoo counties have more vehicles than 46 of the 50 states...combined.

And as bad as the drivers are, when it rains, they are worse. Thank heavens it hasn't snowed in the L/A basin since September 1949!
 


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