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I've just buying a 1987 Club Wagon XLT 5.8L. It's a carbureted Van. The van is again on Ohio and not with me. I would use here with E85 ethanol. I know i do change a lot of things to start with the E85 properly, tanks to carb, i change everything from new.
first question : supplying the gas from tanks to Carburetor need 3 pumps ? One electrical in each tanks + one mechanical on the side of the engine ?
I start to ordering complete new gas tank set both front and back. Please, I would check with somebody here if my order can be all right ? Need also the fuel pump. Do you know if are different fuel pump between the front and back tanks ?
I can not give you an exact answer. I have a 1985 E150 with a 5.0 engine and a 1988 E150 with a 5.0 engine. In 1985 all econoline vans had carburetors. By 1988 all of the econolines with a 5.0 and 5.8 engines had electronic fuel injection. If I remember correctly ALL 1987 Econolines with a 5.8 and larger engine had a carburetor with a mechanical pump that bolts to the side of the engine.
I am confused about which fuel tank you need to buy.
For your 1987 with a 5.8 engine, Rock auto lists the rear tank as, SPECTRA PREMIUM F15C {#E9UZ9002M} Lock Ring Kit Included https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...111475&jsn=599
notice one of the part numbers is different...
1987 = F15C {#E9UZ9002M}
1988 = F15D {#E9UZ9002M}
Notice the Ford part number is the same so i do not know why Spectra has one F15C and the other is F15D?
What I d o know is that the 1985 and the 1988 fuel tanks have different size openings where the sending unit/ pump goes into the fuel tank.
I was looking at the fuel tank selector valve and it appears that the 1987 and the 1988 use the same fuel tank selector valve.
None of the fuel pump numbers match up between the 1987 and the 1988. That would make sense because the 1987 with a carburetor would have a low pressure pump while the 1988 would be a high pressure pump for the electronic fuel injection.
I do not see a fuel tank sending unit listed for your 1987 with a 5.8 either. Rock Auto does list one for the 1987 with a 5.0 engine but again that would be electronic fuel injection and would have a high pressure pump.. You need the low pressure pump.
I do not believe you need the PF5 pump that mounts on the side of the frame because again that is a high pressure pump.. I believe what you will need is a low pressure pump inside each tank and the mechanical pump on the engine.
I have the Ford service manual for the 1985 and the 1988... The problem is that Ford was transitioning from carburetors to fuel injection during these years. your 1987 is right in the middle!
Our parts professional here is Bill who goes by NumberDummy and he can tell us exactly what you need. Try to send him a private message..
Thank so much for your answer. I think you do take times to check for me, i appreciate that.
Unfortunely, this Club wagon was sold locally. You can't imagine how disaponted i am. It's now since 2 months ago i spend my times to find one like this on Craiglist ! I'm a little bit down when i think to go again on Craiglist . . .
So, do you think 5.0 engine offering more MPG than the 5.8 or it's same ?
You are welcome!
My vans have a 5.0 engine and around town with a lot of stop and go traffic I get around 10 to 13 MPG. on the highway I get around 18 MPG. The 5.0 engine is not fast or very powerful but will get you around. I think the 5.8 would be a better engine for this van. I think the MPG will be about the same with either engine because the 5.0 struggles to hold speed going up long hills on the highway when the transmission is in overdrive.
As to the tanks.. It appears that your problem might be finding the sending units for the tanks.
Again I think the difference in the tanks may be the size of the hole where the sending unit fastens to the tank.. BUT then Rock auto shows the ford part numbers are the same..
I do not know if this would work or not but,,, you might be able to use the 1988 tanks and sending units and then install the 1987 low pressure pump in the sending unit.
At this point though I am not sure if you do in fact have any electric pumps that go in the fuel tanks.
My mothers 1978 van has a single tank and a 5.8 with a mechanical fuel pump and no electric pump in the tank.
According to Rock auto the fuel selector valve is the same in the 1987 and the 1988.
According to Rock auto the electrical connector for the sending units are the same.
If you are going to keep this van then i recommend you buy the ford service manual on CD and it will have most all the information you will need.
I understand your disappointment. I bought 2 vans through craigslist and they were not as good of condition as the owner said they were. Any van that has sat for a long time will have problems with the fuel system unless the owner drained all the fuel from the system before parking it. Your van is easy to work on though and there are many people here that can give you good advice on how to work on it..
Thanks for sharing these pictures, when i see the rusty conditon of the sending unit, it confirm when you want go to E85 it's better to mounting complete new parts from new tanks to carb !
Interesting to know it's not a fuel pump in the tank. I'm going to think like you for the 1988 possibility. Yes, i see this CD manual but i thinking to find one with also Club Wagon section. But don't know if Ford make one with this ?
I would use 1 or maybe 2 times by week to go on my job and also for sure in the weekend for more long trip. I like the last bench seat going to be a bed, really usefull to sleep just one night. Find a good one Club Wagon XLT with all original options is not easy. I don't want a conversion because i would remove the bench seat and have the space to possibility transport furniture, motorcycle, etc
I just sent a message to our parts specialist NumberDummy and he will reply as soon as he gets time. He can answer all of our questions about part numbers and some..
Both of my manuals 85 and 88 include the club wagon.. It does not say club wagon on the front of the CD but it is in there...
Thanks for your effort and for sharing this pictures.
Yes i think it's possible 1986/88 fuel tanks, front and back.
numberDully, please it's possible to have a look about the sending unit or fuel pump going inside the 1986/88 tank ?
It was a 1987 E150 Club Wagon XLT with the 5.8L carbureted engine. 124WB
So, do you think 5.0 engine offering more MPG than the 5.8 or it's same ?
Do not think that a smaller engine will always get better mileage than a larger engine in the same vehicle. If the engine is small, it must work harder to do the same job. This means it will not operate with maximum efficiency.
The numbers that annaleigh posted are very similar to what I get with my E350 with the 5.8 liter engine. Her highway numbers are better than mine, but she has a lighter van, too. With the bigger van, I am sure a 5.0 would get WORSE mileage than the 5.8, because I would always be pushing the engine to its maximum.
I know a man who bought an RV built on the Ford E350 chassis, and he got it with the 460 (7.6 liter) engine. (This was 30 years ago or more). His best friend ordered the same vehicle, but with the 351 (5.8 liter) engine, thinking that he would get better gas mileage. They took a trip together, and the 460 driver had an easy trip, but the 351 driver had to fight up every hill, and battle every headwind. At the end of the trip, they compared their gas mileage. It was the same.
The best mileage is obtained when the engine is properly matched to the work it's going to do. With a large, heavy vehicle, with a large frontal area (high wind resistance), the smaller engine must work much harder, so you will probably not see much better gas mileage, if any. You might even see worse mileage.
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