Military 6x6 wheels on F600.
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Military 6x6 wheels on F600.
Yet another widowmaker replacement thread. I found that the old military 6x6 trucks (deuce and a half ) were outfitted with 6x8.75 bolt pattern wheels. Is there anyone that has used these before and do they work? I haven't found any info on this yet, apologize if it's been answered before!
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My dad had a couple M211 GMCs with those wheels. The military ran them as a M135 with single 11.00x20s, and M211 with duals using 9.00x20s.
Dual 11.00s is not a good idea imo. Any fooling with stud length or spacers risks adding enough stress to the axle housing to cause it to fail.
I don't know how you would get 11.00s under an F600 anyway. Our '58 had 8.25s and with a load those were about right. IIRC, 9.00s would have been a maybe, and 11.00s would have hit the bottom of the bed.
ymmv.
Good luck with it.
Dual 11.00s is not a good idea imo. Any fooling with stud length or spacers risks adding enough stress to the axle housing to cause it to fail.
I don't know how you would get 11.00s under an F600 anyway. Our '58 had 8.25s and with a load those were about right. IIRC, 9.00s would have been a maybe, and 11.00s would have hit the bottom of the bed.
ymmv.
Good luck with it.
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My dad had a couple M211 GMCs with those wheels. The military ran them as a M135 with single 11.00x20s, and M211 with duals using 9.00x20s.
Dual 11.00s is not a good idea imo. Any fooling with stud length or spacers risks adding enough stress to the axle housing to cause it to fail.
I don't know how you would get 11.00s under an F600 anyway. Our '58 had 8.25s and with a load those were about right. IIRC, 9.00s would have been a maybe, and 11.00s would have hit the bottom of the bed.
ymmv.
Good luck with it.
Dual 11.00s is not a good idea imo. Any fooling with stud length or spacers risks adding enough stress to the axle housing to cause it to fail.
I don't know how you would get 11.00s under an F600 anyway. Our '58 had 8.25s and with a load those were about right. IIRC, 9.00s would have been a maybe, and 11.00s would have hit the bottom of the bed.
ymmv.
Good luck with it.
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Thanks for checking into that for me stu. This is how it currently sits. Looks a little weird with singles on the back
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11s is big:
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...1_original.jpg
I think yours are slightly bigger than the military ndts.
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...1_original.jpg
I think yours are slightly bigger than the military ndts.
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This started with a simple yes/no type question, and I believe will close with a yes/no answer to the followup question.
Starting with the wheels, the easy part was knowing that the 6 x 8.75" military and civilian bolt patterns were equals. Having now gone deeper, I find record of six wheels on which the military or civilian markets could have used an 11R20" radial or 11-20" bias ply tire. Two Accuride and four Budds.
The first Accuride is their #26357. It is 20" x 7.5", stud piloted, has 6.25" of positive offset, and has a "Military Standard" / "MIL STD" rim/ring design. It is listed as ORD 7389621 for the complete wheel and ring, ORD 7389620 for wheel w/o the ring, and ORD 7389061 for the ring alone.
The other Accuride is their number 27101-C. It is 20" x 7.5", hub piloted, has 6 5/16" positive offset, and has either the Firestone FL-2 or FL-3 two or three piece rim/ring sets.
The first of the Budds is their number R66280-8. It is 20" x 7.5", stud piloted, has 5 1/8" of positive offset, and has the "MIL STD" rim/ring. It alone in all these is listed as sold only to the military. Why is unclear. The "R" means radial tire approved.
The next is R69890-8 described as 20" x 7.5", stud piloted, and having 6.25" of positive offset. Again a MIL STD rim/ring.
Next is R66640-3, stud piloted, 20" x 7.5", 2.5" of positive offset, and having a Goodyear LB rim/ring.
Last is R93470-3, 20" x 7.5", hub piloted, having 3 9/16" of positive offset. It has a Goodyear LW rim/ring design.
Now for the 11" tires. Both radial and bias ply have an 8" "Design Rim Width". They are approved for use on flat base rims that are 7.5", 8.0", 8.5", and 8.50VM". Don't find what differentiates a "VM", but it doesn't matter. Both have a "Section Width" of 11.55", and "Growth Max Width In Service" of 12.47". They have "Minimum Dual Wheel Spacing" of 13.2".
Doubling the offset figure for each wheel must yield a figure equal to or greater than the dual wheel spacing figure for the tires. If your wheels were the 6.25" offset variety you could probably mount duals by adding a small spacer. But given your statements my guess is you found the 5 1/8" variety Budds. Which I fear means duals are not in the cards unless you change tires.
All this is from old print catalogs. Budd is gone, absorbed into the Hayes Lemmerz conglomerate with K-H and Motor Wheel. I'll look online at the Accuride catalogs to see if any newer versions exist. I would guess that the Accuride or Budd numbers will be stamped on your wheels to tell us what you have. If you find other numbers I'll dig deeper, or if I find online something different I'll edit. Stu
Edit - only Accuride catalogs that are on-line are for 2011, 2013, 2015, and 2016. Nothing older that I find. The #26357 that is in my 3/91 paper catalog is obsolete with no substitute number by 2011. Stu
Starting with the wheels, the easy part was knowing that the 6 x 8.75" military and civilian bolt patterns were equals. Having now gone deeper, I find record of six wheels on which the military or civilian markets could have used an 11R20" radial or 11-20" bias ply tire. Two Accuride and four Budds.
The first Accuride is their #26357. It is 20" x 7.5", stud piloted, has 6.25" of positive offset, and has a "Military Standard" / "MIL STD" rim/ring design. It is listed as ORD 7389621 for the complete wheel and ring, ORD 7389620 for wheel w/o the ring, and ORD 7389061 for the ring alone.
The other Accuride is their number 27101-C. It is 20" x 7.5", hub piloted, has 6 5/16" positive offset, and has either the Firestone FL-2 or FL-3 two or three piece rim/ring sets.
The first of the Budds is their number R66280-8. It is 20" x 7.5", stud piloted, has 5 1/8" of positive offset, and has the "MIL STD" rim/ring. It alone in all these is listed as sold only to the military. Why is unclear. The "R" means radial tire approved.
The next is R69890-8 described as 20" x 7.5", stud piloted, and having 6.25" of positive offset. Again a MIL STD rim/ring.
Next is R66640-3, stud piloted, 20" x 7.5", 2.5" of positive offset, and having a Goodyear LB rim/ring.
Last is R93470-3, 20" x 7.5", hub piloted, having 3 9/16" of positive offset. It has a Goodyear LW rim/ring design.
Now for the 11" tires. Both radial and bias ply have an 8" "Design Rim Width". They are approved for use on flat base rims that are 7.5", 8.0", 8.5", and 8.50VM". Don't find what differentiates a "VM", but it doesn't matter. Both have a "Section Width" of 11.55", and "Growth Max Width In Service" of 12.47". They have "Minimum Dual Wheel Spacing" of 13.2".
Doubling the offset figure for each wheel must yield a figure equal to or greater than the dual wheel spacing figure for the tires. If your wheels were the 6.25" offset variety you could probably mount duals by adding a small spacer. But given your statements my guess is you found the 5 1/8" variety Budds. Which I fear means duals are not in the cards unless you change tires.
All this is from old print catalogs. Budd is gone, absorbed into the Hayes Lemmerz conglomerate with K-H and Motor Wheel. I'll look online at the Accuride catalogs to see if any newer versions exist. I would guess that the Accuride or Budd numbers will be stamped on your wheels to tell us what you have. If you find other numbers I'll dig deeper, or if I find online something different I'll edit. Stu
Edit - only Accuride catalogs that are on-line are for 2011, 2013, 2015, and 2016. Nothing older that I find. The #26357 that is in my 3/91 paper catalog is obsolete with no substitute number by 2011. Stu